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so

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hello and welcome to the show this is

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martin willis and i'm joined with a

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whole bunch of people here we're live

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from the phoenix area um i was at boot

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camp and observed what was going on

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there is fascinating we're going to be

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talking about that and a whole bunch of

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other things here i have a whole bunch

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of people with me here today we're going

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to be um each one is going to do a

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little quick blurb about themselves

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if you go to my website podcast ufo.com

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you'll see the blog this week is a

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country singer ufo occupants and men in

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black and that's about johnny c stanz i

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think it is johnny sands a country

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western singer had a sighting back in

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1976 very interesting with these strange

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looking uh angry mean looking

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beings and uh men in black it's a great

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story by charles lear check that out so

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here in phoenix it's uh everywhere in

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the country

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change time we have missing time here

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so we have our missing time it never

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changes it never changes except the

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navajo nation right

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so anyway uh

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so it's been great out here i've been

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out here um almost a week

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really enjoying the nice warmth and it's

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a lot of fun and i have a bunch of great

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people uh with me today and we're gonna

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be talking about like i said boot camp

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and so much more thank you all who

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support the show

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uh we wouldn't be here without your

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support so i appreciate that and let's

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start out by introducing tia go ahead

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and i am stacy wright i am the state

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director for a mufon here in arizona i'm

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hi i'm karen brard and i run the

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international ufo congress which is the

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annual conference don't have a date yet

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we also have a website

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www.ufoconference.com and youtube

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channel where you watch all the old past

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hi everyone my name is marianne robb i'm

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also a field investigator with phoenix

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mufon and live in mesa arizona

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oh and my name is mark antonio and i'm

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the chief photo and video analyst for

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mufon

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and we run remote observatories uh on

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two sides of the country and we we bring

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the night sky to people all over the

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i'm earl door i'm a field investigator

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for phoenix mufon also

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hi i'm jennifer i live in tucson i

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attended the event this past weekend so

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hi i'm matthew roberts

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former guest

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previous guest on the show and uh

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first of all before we i want the focus

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to be on stacy for a minute because i

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i want to talk about how you read

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you were kind of instrumental in

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reviving phoenix mufon which was dormant

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for many years

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and so let's let's hear how that how

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that all came about okay well i just

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got this insane interest in ufos uh

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after being just a fan of astronomy all

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my life all of a sudden one day ufo

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thing happened and i thought you know

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we've got to look into this maybe

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some great wacky ufo meeting here in

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in this big world-class city there's got

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to be something that i found out by

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looking at this crazy group called mufon

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that there had been nothing going on

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about eight years which was also strange

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because it was just after the phoenix

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lights incident in 1997. so for eight

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mufon and asked why don't we have

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anything going on here

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and he said well let's start something

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so in two weeks there was a meeting

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and i raised my hand to volunteer to

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start up a new chapter for phoenix

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that i did it was just prime time for

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a lot of fun in the world in the country

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our very first speaker when we started

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this up was actually stanton friedman

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um he came in and and uh was our guest

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speaker for that very first meeting

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and he did this free of charge because

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he's a great guy he just wanted to see

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and it did with a vengeance

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that lagged 1997

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it just seemed it's unbelievable that

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mufon in this area would stagnate after

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thousands of witnesses it is uncanny

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that that would happen i think there was

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but there was a lot of infighting also

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wasn't part of it then so i don't know

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exactly but it sounded like it was a

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real mess and i believe that one of the

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directors may have passed away during

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that time as well so it just all felt

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hard right is there anyone in this room

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that was here when the phoenix like

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lights happened and

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and you knew about it happening and

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i had only heard about it you know but i

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i seized on it immediately

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to do an analysis yeah yeah

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but what was released was not what

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what you see in the sky you see those

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those those the famous photographers the

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famous video

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occurred after the actual event and the

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one stoplight so you're a farmer or your

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military there's military said where

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he said luke air force base and i said

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back then so you saw phoenix flights you

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could so you just gave him goosebumps he

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goes i saw that and it was not ours and

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i got his number but i still gotta hook

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up and chat with him a little more so we

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didn't connie coming down and talking

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more about it but you run into firsthand

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people all the time when you're talking

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about different things and that was my

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deal with the phoenix lights and i lived

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here at the time but i never saw it i

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had someone from out of state calling

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the next day and said hey you guys had a

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ufo last night and i'm like we did

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so i didn't see it but my kids did they

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were out in the desert with their dad

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and they saw it and uh

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now there are some people that like

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peter davenport was flooded with calls

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there could be this thing could have

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been estimated at miles wide

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and i don't know do you still hear that

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feedback i mean from from people that

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that talk about it yeah oh yeah we hear

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all sizes

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and the problem is that whenever someone

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tries to estimate the size here i go mr

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science okay whenever someone tries to

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estimate size of something in the sky

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they're going to be remarkably wrong

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okay and the stanford university the eye

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institute that studies to show that

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exact thing that they don't know if it's

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a large thing far away or a small thing

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up close and they don't have the depth

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perception because we didn't evolve

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eyes to be able to detect

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things like that in the sky we detect

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predators within 250 feet of us

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that's what our binocular vision is good

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at it's not good at estimating sizes

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especially where there's no reference

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points in the sky and that's exactly

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what the phoenix lights represented no

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reference points

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and one thing about how people say oh

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it's just flares yes the picture they

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put out was flares nobody really got a

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good picture of what was actually

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happening for some reason

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but the fact that peter danfort got tons

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of calls which we have flares all the

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time we don't he doesn't get tons of

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flares every time i mean tons of calls

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every time there's a flare because that

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right it was different it was different

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so people who say oh it was just flares

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don't get calls for ufos every time

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there's a flare account but they did

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on that day they had i mean it was just

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weird and unusual and

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it wasn't it wasn't just females over

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people's heads yeah it wasn't just

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phoenix that i mean this thing traveled

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didn't it go right into

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other states new mexico went into mexico

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mexico over the border into mexico yeah

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uh previous or since have there been

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sightings of similar crap four or five

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different times that it's been on the

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news here in the phoenix area

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i was witness to one of them and this

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and we just seemed to have this you know

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thing about four or five lights at an

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angle equidistant

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that go out one at a time and what i saw

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was not pointing toward

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barry goldwater range

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it was somewhere else so um they are all

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over the valley and we do see them

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they're on the news we have footage of

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them and sometimes

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they get captured in the most

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unexpected places for instance our

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observatory in the desert i have an

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all-sky camera on it all right well i

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started up the all-sky camera before the

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observatory was even finished

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and i was capturing nightly what was

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know every 20 seconds image is captured

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so 20 seconds long all night long so

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there's no gaps and you see lots of

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trails of things like meteorites

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satellites planes okay

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well i caught something

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which was very strange

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even for me all right it was a

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semicircular pattern

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on a frame and i thought wow well if

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that's a jet from luke you're seeing the

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exhaust of the jet all right so in the

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next frame or the previous frame i would

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have expected not to see it because the

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jet would have been facing the other way

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so here you see the exhaust when it

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comes around you don't see it

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but on the previous frame it was there

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too

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so it was all the way around a complete

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circle

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that did not make any sense it couldn't

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have been

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a military jet doing that so

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there's anomalies beyond

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the triangles and the strings of lights

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i mean strings of lights now what do

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people think starlink yeah right

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starling we saw one the other night

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right there's starlink trains okay we

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capture them all the time in the

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telescope and it's like oh they ruined

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this exposure okay but

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the fact is that is a linear line of

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satellites that you're going to see in

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the sky okay you're not going to see a

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triangle all right a triangle is one

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thing all right singular light is

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another

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but the circular thing i couldn't

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explain i have no idea what that was

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yeah well i want to talk just a little

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bit uh of course one of the reasons the

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reason i'm here is the boot camp

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uh that happened for field investigators

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and marion do you want to just touch

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bases on that that was uh that was very

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interesting i got to sit through

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i only missed one thing but uh it was

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really very interesting well i'm glad

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you were there it was an honor to have

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you part of this and to see what we do

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um

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boot camp stacy wright did an

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outstanding job putting this whole thing

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together

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um

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the boot camp started basically friday

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night we did a meet and greet with all

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of the participants that came in from

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all over the country i know florida

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pennsylvania new york

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michigan um michigan virginia virginia

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wisconsin texas oh my gosh um i know a

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couple years ago we actually had people

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from canada that came in

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but we still it starts friday at the the

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meet and greet and then eight o'clock

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saturday morning is the first class and

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i got to teach the first class which was

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advanced interviewing techniques

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um that's really a big one for these new

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field investigators with your background

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as a police officer right right um

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just teach them

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what good questions or not questions but

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what how to ask a good question and also

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to see about deception can you

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sit there look at someone ask them a

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question and see are they going to be uh

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answering that question honestly or they

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may be giving you a little deception on

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that just

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just here i want to hear just what

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what are the keys

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to the red flags red flags ask somebody

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hey um

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were you standing on your front porch

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last night when you saw this object

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um

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yeah i think i was

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okay so couple of uh little deceptions

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there one if you're standing on your

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front porch last night which was maybe

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less than 12 hours ago it should be a

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quick yes or no yeah you don't need to

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him haul around

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yeah because you're thinking you're

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probably thinking yourself of um how did

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i put it in the report am i telling the

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truth plus i kind of close my arms which

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i'm closing myself off to you yeah i

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don't really want to tell you the truth

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um those types of deception um covering

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your mouth

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uh when you're answering a question

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or uh basically you're standing there

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like you're doing you're you're open but

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if i ask you a question all of a sudden

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you close you you close yourself off you

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close your legs you crush your legs you

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um cross your arms

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that's telling me you're closing

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yourself off yeah

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well that's true too and there's a good

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possibility well you're good at that

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but that's that's kind of what as um as

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a field investigator if you're doing an

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in-person interview that's what we're

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looking for

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just

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your body language changing when we ask

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you

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a simple question yeah i started taking

404
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the body language courses

405
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it's very interesting oh it is it is

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really amazing

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so after um i finished talking um um i

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kind of have to leave for a few minutes

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but we do have a psychiatrist that comes

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in and talks about the mental health of

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these

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um witnesses you know what to look for

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on mental health and also just because

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they might have some issues with uh

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their mental health

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uh that

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you

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don't say oh well he has mental health

419
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problems and you dismiss him you can

420
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never dismiss anyone whatsoever that was

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dr anthony yes uh that that spoke about

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that

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um we had marc d'antonio here our

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wonderful astronomer talking about

425
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different things uh in astronomy

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um different anomalies that you might

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see up in the sky

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uh let's see we've had katie grabowski

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talk about um

430
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um doing a cms doing a

431
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a cms is a case management system is a

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report that people fill out and send in

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to move on so she talks about that about

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filling out reports and what is what is

435
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to be you know what to look at in the

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report

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um we've also had let's see

438
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um we also had uh our chief investigator

439
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dennis fearmouth uh do photo analysis

440
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which is really a big one mark is really

441
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good at the photo analysis being the

442
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chief investigator uh for all of phoenix

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mufon

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and

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what

446
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you might see this big orb oh my gosh

447
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there's an orb

448
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in

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course mark or dennis or somebody can

450
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explain it that no it's a lens flare or

451
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it's the sun or something

452
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um we've done that we also have a couple

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of uh field investigators that talk

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about interesting cases that they've

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done from the start to the end which was

456
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really cool and the navajo rangers and

457
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the navajo rangers oh my goodness

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gracious uh stan milford jr john dover

459
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what they did was uh talk about the

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yeah and also of course the um um

461
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eot is not emergency

462
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experiencer resource team that um

463
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and gwen farrell did that and they

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talked about what the erts do

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which is great

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so yeah and then yeah and then we did a

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star watch which was a lot of fun yeah

468
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we that was pretty good you know you she

469
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actually remembered quite a lot that

470
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didn't yeah i did that i was very

471
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impressed with that

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the best part i guess of the whole thing

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was when we went out sunday afternoon

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and we did

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the

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training we had a mock crash

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and all of the field investigators that

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went through the class all day saturday

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and all day sunday

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went out to um what we call need let's

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try again needle vista

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and

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they found a crash site

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and they did some training they

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interviewed the witness they collected

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evidence

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they did everything out there at the

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site that they learned in the classroom

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and that was really cool to see them in

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action that was really neat oh by the

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way we're going to be taking calls at

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the last half of the hour so anyone can

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call in and ask any of these people

494
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some questions stacy okay go ahead

495
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if you want to go to boot camp you have

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to be

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a that's what i was going to ask

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no you do not this is for prospective

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field investigators people who are just

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curious about what we do

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or for

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uh

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you know field investigators that just

504
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want to come in and hone some of their

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um

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someone wanted to know your back give

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your background marianne if you would

508
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well um i was police officer uh state of

509
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arizona for 34 years

510
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uh as of today i have been retired for

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that's why she's smiling and oh yes been

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busier ever since i've retired um again

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i'm a field investigator for phoenix

514
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mufon i've been doing that for about six

515
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years now

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um little plug for my show i also do a

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radio show here on kgra db on wednesday

518
00:20:09,270 --> 00:20:06,480
night at six o'clock uh called eye

519
00:20:11,590 --> 00:20:09,280
detective which is uh four police

520
00:20:13,350 --> 00:20:11,600
officers just talking about police work

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that's what that's inferno yep that's

522
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with chris deferna and it is it is a

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great um

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it's a great show

525
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um but that's what i do um

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uh what else do i do uh i teach again uh

527
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one of the things i do teach is the

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advanced interviewing techniques

529
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uh at the mufon symposium and also at

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the boot camp

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now has anyone ever given you grief in

532
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the department about

533
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your interest in ufos that's a very good

534
00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:40,240
question

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no

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um it is absolutely amazing my team that

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i um

538
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i was on in gilbert i worked for gilbert

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pd the team when they found out what i

540
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did i had more people tell me

541
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uh stories of sightings that they might

542
00:20:59,909 --> 00:20:57,280
have had experiences they've had i've

543
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had mark ride with me in a patrol car

544
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i've had stacy ride with me uh peter

545
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robbins rode with me

546
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it was so fantastic but i actually had a

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lieutenant not too long ago i figured he

548
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was gonna

549
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kind of

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snicker when i told him what i did and

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he sat down and told me it's great

552
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that's what you do because i have a

553
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story that i've been keeping inside for

554
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many years he worked graveyard shift as

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he's coming into the station he sees a

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fireball fireball huge and i mean he

557
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said it was just amazingly huge he says

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it went from

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the east all the way to the west all the

560
00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:37,919
way through the sky and he said he'd

561
00:21:42,390 --> 00:21:40,400
never told anybody anywhere whether it

562
00:21:44,549 --> 00:21:42,400
was his family or the pd or anything

563
00:21:46,230 --> 00:21:44,559
because he didn't want to get laughed at

564
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:46,240
or you know

565
00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:48,159
what are they going to think of him so

566
00:21:51,750 --> 00:21:50,080
he finally was able to share that story

567
00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:51,760
with me and kind of just get it off his

568
00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:53,679
chest but it was a fireball i mean

569
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:54,960
they're seen

570
00:21:59,510 --> 00:21:57,200
they are but it's

571
00:22:02,070 --> 00:21:59,520
i don't know it's it's unexplainable uh

572
00:22:04,630 --> 00:22:02,080
i don't i can't describe what a fireball

573
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:04,640
i know that that is one of um i think

574
00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:06,960
it's cheryl costa that does

575
00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:10,799
um reports yeah and uh status how do you

576
00:22:14,789 --> 00:22:13,520
say that statistics thank you of

577
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:14,799
fireballs

578
00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:17,840
versus say a cigar looking craft or a

579
00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:20,080
cylinder or cylinder

580
00:22:24,149 --> 00:22:22,720
uh disc whatever and fireballs is one of

581
00:22:26,070 --> 00:22:24,159
the things so

582
00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:26,080
what actually it is i couldn't tell you

583
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:28,000
so mark because you're an astronomer i

584
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:29,440
want to tell you i don't know if i've

585
00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:31,360
ever told you about my fireball that i

586
00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:34,960
saw in the 1980s well let's hear it yeah

587
00:22:39,190 --> 00:22:36,320
so now

588
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:39,200
um i know that memory can be distorted

589
00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:41,520
and i've told this on this on this show

590
00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:44,320
before my fireball experience to me was

591
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:45,679
more dramatic

592
00:22:50,549 --> 00:22:48,480
than my ufo experience okay um i was in

593
00:22:52,149 --> 00:22:50,559
a hot tub of course i was in the hot tub

594
00:22:55,270 --> 00:22:52,159
when i saw my user it's already too much

595
00:22:57,270 --> 00:22:55,280
information here i was out on my back

596
00:22:59,190 --> 00:22:57,280
deck and i lived about three miles from

597
00:23:02,549 --> 00:22:59,200
the ocean okay

598
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:02,559
and all of a sudden just this thing came

599
00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:03,840
by the roof

600
00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:05,200
and it looked

601
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:06,960
it looked really big

602
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:09,520
and it looked it looked perfectly round

603
00:23:13,510 --> 00:23:11,600
and it had orange cracks in it and it

604
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:13,520
was rotating and sparks were coming off

605
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:14,480
of it

606
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:16,880
i didn't hear any sound i think was and

607
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:19,760
my ex-wife was with me in the hot tub

608
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:22,000
and i yelled to her three times look

609
00:23:26,789 --> 00:23:22,960
look

610
00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:26,799
and i thought for sure was going into

611
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:28,720
the atlantic ocean

612
00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:31,600
and uh because it seemed really low

613
00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:33,760
and it was big like i said i mean but it

614
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:35,440
wasn't like the flame behind it or

615
00:23:38,950 --> 00:23:37,840
anything it was just sparks coming off

616
00:23:41,269 --> 00:23:38,960
of it

617
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:41,279
and then so i told a friend about it he

618
00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:42,720
said cnn

619
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:45,679
said that a large something landed in

620
00:23:48,830 --> 00:23:47,039
china

621
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:48,840
and i don't know if it was related or

622
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:51,440
not that could have been but is that is

623
00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:53,760
that a possibility that i'm remembering

624
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:57,360
that sort of correctly yeah i mean

625
00:24:00,630 --> 00:23:59,360
see fireballs are obviously chunks of

626
00:24:01,909 --> 00:24:00,640
space rock that are re-entering earth's

627
00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:01,919
atmosphere but when they first start to

628
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:03,520
enter the earth's atmosphere

629
00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:04,400
they're not

630
00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:06,159
okay now

631
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:08,159
karen says allegedly well you know what

632
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:09,520
okay i mean

633
00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:12,480
we are investigating ufos okay but in

634
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:14,799
general okay when fireballs enter the

635
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:16,960
earth's atmosphere they encounter a

636
00:24:19,269 --> 00:24:18,400
little bit of the air and they start to

637
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:19,279
burn

638
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:21,360
and that's where you start to see them

639
00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:24,240
right so you won't hear a sound

640
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:26,559
uh until minutes later when the sound

641
00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:28,640
finally gets to you from 90 miles away

642
00:24:30,390 --> 00:24:29,600
or so

643
00:24:34,710 --> 00:24:30,400
and

644
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:34,720
they go long distance to the point where

645
00:24:40,390 --> 00:24:37,760
you can say look look look

646
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:40,400
that means that they're moving uh

647
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:42,480
across the atmosphere and probably gonna

648
00:24:47,669 --> 00:24:45,120
skip off the atmosphere it seemed very

649
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:47,679
big yeah that's probably because it was

650
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:49,919
large and as it came into the atmosphere

651
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:51,120
started to burn

652
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:52,640
and when they burn they're going to make

653
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:55,440
a large glow around them so you can't

654
00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:57,200
tell the actual size

655
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:59,279
because they have a bigger glow around

656
00:25:03,190 --> 00:25:01,120
the burning core the core that's

657
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:03,200
actually it's called ablation that's a

658
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:04,960
blading away that's it's it's uh you

659
00:25:09,990 --> 00:25:06,880
know vaporizing and falling away there's

660
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:10,000
a big bright coma basically around it

661
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:12,240
and that stuff can go on that can go all

662
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:14,159
the way across horizon horizon what

663
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:15,679
about the sparks

664
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:17,760
uh the sparks could be pieces of the

665
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:20,240
thing that are just drifting back as

666
00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:22,640
it's vaporizing falling apart and

667
00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:23,840
um

668
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:26,000
luckily it didn't decide to hit the what

669
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:28,799
we call the wall of the atmosphere um

670
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:30,400
over your house because it would have

671
00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:31,679
blown out

672
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:33,520
tell your banks in russia that was the

673
00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:35,039
one that that a lot of people were

674
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:37,520
injured yeah i mean

675
00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:39,360
you know thank thank heavens for the for

676
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:40,960
all the security cameras the russians

677
00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:43,360
have on their businesses because you see

678
00:25:47,669 --> 00:25:46,159
dash cam security cams door cams window

679
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:47,679
camps you see all these cameras and you

680
00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:49,360
see all the windows blow out you see a

681
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:51,520
security door that's steel

682
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:54,480
peen inward and just bent and just go in

683
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:56,880
okay and people fly to the ground inside

684
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:59,120
so that's kind of a really um

685
00:26:02,789 --> 00:26:00,640
important thing here you didn't get the

686
00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:02,799
shockwave because i didn't even never

687
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:04,880
even heard the sound yeah well you may

688
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:06,480
have it might have come later because i

689
00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:08,159
saw the same thing

690
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:09,520
they're called earth grazers when they

691
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:10,880
actually cross the earth's atmosphere

692
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:13,840
and just leave the atmosphere uh and i

693
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:16,000
saw an earth grazer up in maine

694
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:17,760
actually uh just outside of farmington

695
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:18,640
maine

696
00:26:22,510 --> 00:26:21,840
farmington

697
00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:22,520
oh

698
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:24,240
farmington badminton yeah you can't get

699
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:26,400
there from here that's right but

700
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:29,039
farmington up in farmington farmington

701
00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:31,679
maine uh i saw this earth grazer and i

702
00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:34,640
had time to say to scott okay i said

703
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:37,360
scott look there's a there's a meteor

704
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:38,720
coming in and it was just crossing the

705
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:39,600
air

706
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:41,600
crossing the horizon like this and it

707
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:43,279
was leaving a slight smoke trail behind

708
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:43,919
it

709
00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:47,520
atmosphere and had been burning for a

710
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:49,520
bit and so it crossed all the way across

711
00:26:53,990 --> 00:26:51,520
the atmosphere and he had time to take

712
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:54,000
the binoculars from me and look at it

713
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:56,480
okay as it passed and hand it back to me

714
00:27:00,390 --> 00:26:58,799
and i get to see the tail end

715
00:27:02,149 --> 00:27:00,400
i want him to see it so but you could

716
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:02,159
see cracks in that now we saw one that

717
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:04,240
actually was breaking apart and i

718
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:06,400
watched one actually come across the sky

719
00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:08,320
in another incident and it broke into

720
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:10,400
three distinct segments and minutes

721
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:12,320
later you heard

722
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:14,480
oh wow as it broke apart how about that

723
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:15,679
because the sound takes time to get

724
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:17,840
there yeah that's right yeah so yeah

725
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:23,269
it was fantastic

726
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:26,080
um so before i'm gonna eventually ask

727
00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:28,000
everyone how they got interest in this

728
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:30,559
topic but for now let's talk more about

729
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:33,600
phoenix this is an area of high

730
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:35,919
sightings right does anyone want to talk

731
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:37,039
about

732
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:38,960
that part of it the amount of sightings

733
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:40,880
and that come in i think tara should

734
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:42,159
take care of it

735
00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:44,720
well i i would first think that it has a

736
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:46,799
lot to do with the wonderful weather we

737
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:48,720
have here yeah

738
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:50,720
you know we have big skies and blue

739
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:53,279
skies and mostly clear skies with some

740
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:55,679
likely clouds here and there but

741
00:28:00,389 --> 00:27:58,240
people are outside a lot they're outside

742
00:28:02,149 --> 00:28:00,399
during the day and at night and they're

743
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:02,159
looking up especially now since the

744
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:04,240
phoenix lights have happened there's

745
00:28:08,389 --> 00:28:06,640
more people aware and so i think that's

746
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:08,399
might be why we get a lot more sightings

747
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:10,480
reported because there's more people

748
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:12,960
around outside more and wider states

749
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:15,120
have more exciting lots

750
00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:16,559
most of our

751
00:28:22,230 --> 00:28:19,279
reports that we get the cms we get

752
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:22,240
uh here they start off either one way or

753
00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:24,960
the other either i was walking the dog

754
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:27,520
and looked up or i was outside smoking a

755
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:29,760
cigarette on my back patio and i looked

756
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:32,000
up they are about the two

757
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:34,320
ways or the hot tub

758
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:37,440
they are the the most common starting uh

759
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:39,760
of the report that started september

760
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:41,200
people still smoking cigarettes and

761
00:28:46,149 --> 00:28:44,000
walking dogs yeah

762
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:46,159
and but but see then there's then

763
00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:47,919
there's then there's other sightings

764
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:49,120
that occur

765
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:51,279
now i had not had a sighting in my adult

766
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:52,159
life

767
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:54,640
all right until i was standing in this

768
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:56,640
backyard behind this house we're in

769
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:00,799
right now and remember that oh boy i do

770
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:03,360
we actually did a police chase

771
00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:06,480
of this ufo that we saw and it was three

772
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:09,039
round objects and i said

773
00:29:13,110 --> 00:29:11,679
that looks like a cluster of balloons

774
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:13,120
and there were three round objects they

775
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:14,720
looked big enough so that when they came

776
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:16,080
to the roof of a house they were

777
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:17,279
approaching

778
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:19,440
i was absolutely certain

779
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:20,960
that they were going to bounce off the

780
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:21,919
roof

781
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:25,360
nothing and emerged from the other side

782
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:27,600
and say whoa those have to be

783
00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:30,320
many feet across because that house was

784
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:32,000
hundreds of feet away

785
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:33,919
and that roof was that much further away

786
00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:36,080
right so this is why

787
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:38,799
you know you observe and the thing is

788
00:29:43,029 --> 00:29:40,720
when we looked we couldn't really see it

789
00:29:45,190 --> 00:29:43,039
because the light was very very dim on

790
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:45,200
it it was a shadow i mean it was almost

791
00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:47,679
what it did is as it was going

792
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:49,520
right back here as it was going from one

793
00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:50,960
house uh

794
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:52,640
rooftop to the other

795
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:55,520
it actually was blacking out the stars

796
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:57,520
that were in the sky and it was like

797
00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:00,559
this big blob and all you can see it was

798
00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:02,640
just moving it was a solid object so

799
00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:04,240
whatever it was was solid it was

800
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:06,080
definitely like three round objects and

801
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:08,640
it looked like

802
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:10,320
no it was it was dark but it was

803
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:11,919
reflecting some light from the ground

804
00:30:15,029 --> 00:30:13,200
which is how we saw it the only way you

805
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:15,039
could see it was by blocking out the

806
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:17,200
street lights how did you happen to how

807
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:19,520
did it happen to catch your attention uh

808
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:21,279
well actually i was standing in the

809
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:23,039
backyard probably with the assault gun

810
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:24,960
to shoot flies or something

811
00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:26,320
at night right just get them while

812
00:30:29,669 --> 00:30:28,000
they're sleeping

813
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:29,679
and she says

814
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:31,120
marianne said

815
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:32,000
um

816
00:30:35,830 --> 00:30:33,360
what's that

817
00:30:37,110 --> 00:30:35,840
i'm like what i look in there i see this

818
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:37,120
thing in a dim light but you had to

819
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:38,640
block out other lights in order to see

820
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:39,360
it

821
00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:44,960
why i said oh those guys those have to

822
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:47,440
be balloons yeah but if they're balloons

823
00:30:51,269 --> 00:30:48,960
they were each the size of weather

824
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:51,279
balloons and i mean

825
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:52,559
now you might i just finished telling

826
00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:54,720
you that you can't gauge scale right

827
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:56,960
but yeah we did have reference points

828
00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:59,120
okay the reference points were the

829
00:31:02,070 --> 00:31:00,640
distant house that's right karen there

830
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:02,080
was this distant house the slope of the

831
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:04,320
roof we knew how far that house was

832
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:06,000
because we measured it

833
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:08,720
and that distance made those balloons if

834
00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:10,320
that's what they were

835
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:12,159
something that had to be at least four

836
00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:14,000
feet in diameter each

837
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:16,640
wow at that distance for that angular

838
00:31:21,509 --> 00:31:19,679
size in the sky and unless there was

839
00:31:23,669 --> 00:31:21,519
some kind of big party going on that we

840
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:23,679
didn't know about with you know three

841
00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:26,080
giant four foot each balloons that were

842
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:29,120
attached in a triplet like that

843
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:31,200
uh we uh we grabbed the keys i ran in

844
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:34,640
here grabbed the keys off the uh counter

845
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:36,480
jumped in the expedition and started

846
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:39,919
just hauling buns around town or around

847
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:41,760
the community here the neighborhood

848
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:43,600
there was nobody out there was no

849
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:46,080
parties there was it was a very quiet

850
00:31:49,990 --> 00:31:48,080
area we tried it yeah we tried to find

851
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:50,000
we tried to find uh the activity that

852
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:51,679
could have caused it because

853
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:53,760
i don't you know i don't easily believe

854
00:31:56,789 --> 00:31:55,200
in something like that i'm skeptical

855
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:56,799
because i have to be right

856
00:31:58,630 --> 00:31:57,679
um

857
00:32:02,630 --> 00:31:58,640
so

858
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:02,640
right

859
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:04,640
racing at above the speed limit

860
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:09,029
the

861
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:13,200
road completely blocked out any

862
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:15,360
possibility of seeing this thing

863
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:17,440
so we actually i tried and tried and

864
00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:18,880
tried to actually see where this thing

865
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:20,480
was we had a path

866
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:22,000
we could see the path

867
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:23,120
but then

868
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:24,559
when we got out into the road we

869
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:25,919
couldn't see it anymore it was almost

870
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:26,720
like

871
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:28,080
you wouldn't be able to see it if it was

872
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:29,600
actually uh

873
00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:32,159
something that was going to be

874
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:33,200
i guess

875
00:32:35,509 --> 00:32:34,240
if it was going to be something that was

876
00:32:37,269 --> 00:32:35,519
going to be like a

877
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:37,279
illuminated event it was illuminated by

878
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:39,679
itself if it wasn't then you you would

879
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:41,600
have been able to

880
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:43,440
see it in the sky but we we are not

881
00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:44,720
seeing this guy

882
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:46,000
but the lights from below were

883
00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:47,279
illuminating and the thing that was

884
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:50,000
different was there were street lights

885
00:32:52,950 --> 00:32:51,279
and as something approaches street

886
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:52,960
lights it gets illuminated from here and

887
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:54,799
that illumination changes as it moves

888
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:57,200
across the sky right

889
00:33:02,149 --> 00:33:00,240
this didn't change it stayed constant

890
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:02,159
so that meant that it was

891
00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:05,440
and again this is a a perspective and a

892
00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:07,600
a a reference point thing

893
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:09,679
it was further than the street lights on

894
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:11,919
the other side of those houses as well

895
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:14,799
because those lights did not change when

896
00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:16,240
they when they if they were playing on

897
00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:17,600
it you didn't see them change you'd see

898
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:19,279
the angle change the light we did not

899
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:20,720
see any of that

900
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:22,720
now i'm going to ask you something

901
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:24,559
did you report it

902
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:25,919
of course

903
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:34,630
don't look at me that way stacy

904
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:37,430
well the thing is okay

905
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:39,120
if we reported it we would report the

906
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:40,640
sighting we wouldn't be able to report

907
00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:42,240
any evidence so i was really

908
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:43,840
disappointed we couldn't get evidence i

909
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:45,760
actually took out the phone and we had

910
00:33:49,269 --> 00:33:47,200
time to actually look and see if we

911
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:49,279
could see it i said i can't see it and i

912
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:51,200
have a manual application for the for

913
00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:53,279
the iphone where you can use your camera

914
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:55,600
in a manual banner and i just couldn't

915
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:57,519
get that thing to to come up and be able

916
00:34:01,269 --> 00:33:59,360
to do this in time

917
00:34:02,710 --> 00:34:01,279
were they in like in a row or there was

918
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:02,720
no they were like this there was there

919
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:04,720
was three one here one here one so it's

920
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:06,720
like a triangular like an equilateral

921
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:07,840
triangle

922
00:34:12,629 --> 00:34:10,240
of three objects that were round

923
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:12,639
and but

924
00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:14,240
yeah there's no light in there we could

925
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:15,599
not see anything yeah they were close

926
00:34:19,909 --> 00:34:17,440
and they were close together

927
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:19,919
and again i i didn't i didn't did not

928
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:21,440
discount that they could just be really

929
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:23,200
big balloons

930
00:34:26,069 --> 00:34:24,960
but i didn't expect them to act like

931
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:26,079
balloons

932
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:28,240
the light should have changed as they

933
00:34:31,270 --> 00:34:29,679
moved across the landscape and they

934
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:31,280
would have been huge

935
00:34:34,069 --> 00:34:32,560
that would have been bad

936
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:34,079
never i don't know if i've ever seen a

937
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:36,159
four foot balloon

938
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:39,599
i have okay i guess unless it's a okay

939
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:42,240
no it was crazy not not to give you too

940
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:44,399
much of a hard time youtube but

941
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:45,679
reporting

942
00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:47,520
something like this could find other

943
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:49,359
witnesses that

944
00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:52,480
i know i know uh we did i did leave it

945
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:58,870
but no i drove around and everything and

946
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:01,200
uh there was nobody out at least not

947
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:02,800
driving around

948
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:04,960
and nobody i did not see anybody walking

949
00:35:07,829 --> 00:35:06,480
on the street so

950
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:07,839
but yeah you never know who could have

951
00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:10,320
been in the backyard or smoking

952
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:11,920
no job yes they could have been doing

953
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:14,240
that yeah and like people report like

954
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:15,599
sometimes some people can see them and

955
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:17,200
other people can't so maybe it was just

956
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:19,359
for your benefit yeah yeah you know i

957
00:35:24,069 --> 00:35:22,560
mean no i think to just say that i think

958
00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:24,079
this was something that was a missed

959
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:25,599
opportunity to be honest we should have

960
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:26,480
probably

961
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:28,880
reported it you know

962
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:30,640
you know every time i'm on a plane emma

963
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:33,119
don't give me the finger i know i know

964
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:34,880
it's just not the finger sorry that's

965
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:36,560
that's not quite well it's just pointing

966
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:39,920
like this yeah the index finger

967
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:42,560
okay okay move on with another story

968
00:35:46,069 --> 00:35:44,000
here i'm gonna really get yelled at

969
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:46,079
later on here

970
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:48,320
oh this isn't public oh no

971
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:50,480
i think um well

972
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:53,200
i didn't report and i i could still

973
00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:55,119
report what i saw

974
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:58,160
back in 2007 you know i mean it doesn't

975
00:36:03,430 --> 00:36:01,440
matter and i have looked online about

976
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:03,440
the area where i was at

977
00:36:07,589 --> 00:36:05,839
and there was something that sounded

978
00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:07,599
that you know very similar to what i saw

979
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:08,960
it might have been the same night see i

980
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:10,240
don't even remember

981
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:12,400
the date i really don't remember the

982
00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:13,920
time of year

983
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:16,240
in california every the seasons are

984
00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:18,000
mostly alike our mufon field

985
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:20,560
investigators are so skilled at what

986
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:21,680
they do

987
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:23,359
that they can look up this information

988
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:25,440
and they can compare it and see what was

989
00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:27,359
in the area at the time they can tell

990
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:28,880
you there's other people that saw things

991
00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:30,640
that were similar to that yeah well

992
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:32,480
someone did report a puzzle go into the

993
00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:34,560
database and help every little bit yeah

994
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:37,760
someone did report seeing a cigar shaped

995
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:41,280
object that's not what i saw but however

996
00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:43,599
as someone pointed out to me once at an

997
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:45,200
angle

998
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:47,520
a disc can look like a disc which i saw

999
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:49,680
could look like a cigar shape

1000
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:51,920
which is all interesting and speaking of

1001
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:53,200
shapes

1002
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:54,960
um

1003
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:56,800
david who's behind the camera

1004
00:37:02,470 --> 00:36:59,280
his uh mother had a

1005
00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:02,480
about a 1948 triangle ufo sight you

1006
00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:03,680
don't hear

1007
00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:05,280
too much of them

1008
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:08,320
um you know happening back then but a

1009
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:10,160
lot of people talk about

1010
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:11,200
why

1011
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:14,880
now is there more triangle ufos than

1012
00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:16,880
ever and what happened to the good

1013
00:37:21,910 --> 00:37:19,520
old-fashioned discs does anyone want to

1014
00:37:22,350 --> 00:37:21,920
the triangle nation took over the disc

1015
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:22,360
nation

1016
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:24,560
[Laughter]

1017
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:26,880
well i mean from from a point of view of

1018
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:29,920
just what people are seeing i guess

1019
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:32,400
from the outside you can say well

1020
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:34,800
maybe there's more human-made things in

1021
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:37,440
the sky that form triangle formations

1022
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:38,640
for instance

1023
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:41,520
uh and this is meant to add to this not

1024
00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:42,720
subtraction

1025
00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:44,800
uh there are certain satellites that

1026
00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:47,200
have been put up by the navy that travel

1027
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:49,280
in triplets they're like an equilateral

1028
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:51,040
triangle in the sky when they move

1029
00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:53,119
through the sky if you see them

1030
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:55,119
you might think that you're not seeing

1031
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:58,160
stars between the end points of these

1032
00:38:02,310 --> 00:38:00,320
satellites because your brain

1033
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:02,320
mentally subtracts uh subtracts those

1034
00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:04,400
sometimes and so it might look like a

1035
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:05,839
solid object and you might say oh that's

1036
00:38:09,270 --> 00:38:06,960
a triangle

1037
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:09,280
but in 1948 they didn't have

1038
00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:12,000
these types of things in the sky right

1039
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:14,720
so it wouldn't be that um

1040
00:38:18,790 --> 00:38:16,560
but then again

1041
00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:18,800
there are uh

1042
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:20,560
other options right there are other

1043
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:22,240
possibilities maybe

1044
00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:23,839
uh if you want to look at it from an

1045
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:26,079
extraterrestrial point of view maybe

1046
00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:28,640
there are several races that have found

1047
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:30,720
this kind of like wow

1048
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:35,349
this other you know planner when he

1049
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:37,599
finally reached us and they like us so

1050
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:39,839
they're hanging around where the disc

1051
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:40,960
you know wherever they from you know

1052
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:41,760
they

1053
00:38:45,670 --> 00:38:44,240
like

1054
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:45,680
well don't don't forget people are still

1055
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:47,359
seeing discs you know right but i mean

1056
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:49,280
it's like there could be thousands of

1057
00:38:53,349 --> 00:38:51,200
different shapes yeah that's correct and

1058
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:53,359
it depends on what kind of technology an

1059
00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:55,119
advanced race might actually choose to

1060
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:57,520
exploit in order to apply that vast

1061
00:39:01,750 --> 00:38:59,760
sculpt between the stars and

1062
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:01,760
in all cases one of the interesting

1063
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:03,440
things is you know

1064
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:05,280
people are saying that these these uh

1065
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:08,160
flying saucers are actually

1066
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:10,320
particle accelerators which is why

1067
00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:12,240
they're round and the same thing with

1068
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:13,920
triangles the triangles are triangular

1069
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:14,880
shaped because they're particle

1070
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:17,599
accelerators and uh a good friend of

1071
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:18,880
mine

1072
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:21,040
yeah and and that the whole point of

1073
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:22,800
these flying saucers if you call them

1074
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:25,920
that is that they exploit

1075
00:39:31,829 --> 00:39:28,480
a hole not a whole but but a

1076
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:31,839
opportunity in physics to be able to

1077
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:32,640
move

1078
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:35,599
through uh dimensions in a way that

1079
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:37,200
require the use of a particle

1080
00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:39,359
accelerator to generate certain types of

1081
00:39:44,470 --> 00:39:42,160
particles so you can extract yourself

1082
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:44,480
right from our dimensional space

1083
00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:45,520
there's a lot of evidence pointing

1084
00:39:49,109 --> 00:39:46,880
towards that because people who have no

1085
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:49,119
idea of science describe the movements

1086
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:50,640
in exactly the same way like they kind

1087
00:39:55,349 --> 00:39:53,680
of wobble and things like that which

1088
00:39:57,109 --> 00:39:55,359
would make sense you know from the

1089
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:57,119
scientific point of view in fact it does

1090
00:40:01,349 --> 00:39:59,040
because bob schroeder a friend of mine

1091
00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:01,359
he wrote solving enigma you know bob

1092
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:02,640
yeah okay

1093
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:05,040
bob's a great guy and and he's not prone

1094
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:06,480
to flights of fancy

1095
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:09,520
and bob discusses this in his book and

1096
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:10,480
uh

1097
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:11,839
that's probably one of the few books i

1098
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:13,280
read because it had a lot of equations

1099
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:14,800
in it which i and not because i like

1100
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:16,400
equations okay i'm not that much of a

1101
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:19,040
geek but maybe i am well yeah

1102
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:20,160
but

1103
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:25,520
understand the science that he was

1104
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:27,599
suspecting was there and you know what

1105
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:29,119
it's sound

1106
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:33,280
interesting is that

1107
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:35,119
when you talk about

1108
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:38,079
alien races traveling through space

1109
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:40,000
that's where you leave you know most

1110
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:41,599
modern astrophysics people behind

1111
00:40:46,230 --> 00:40:43,920
because they're like yeah that knob

1112
00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:46,240
that can't happen the distances the

1113
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:48,800
distances are so fast they can't

1114
00:40:54,150 --> 00:40:51,520
possibly do it but the fact is

1115
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:54,160
they're not traveling those distances

1116
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:55,760
they're traveling and it's not like

1117
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:57,839
wormholes but it's like folding space

1118
00:41:01,910 --> 00:41:00,079
yeah we see that now

1119
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:01,920
and we see how to do that now we just

1120
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:03,119
can't do it because we don't have the

1121
00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:06,240
technology so if we see that you know

1122
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:08,240
only 5 000 years into our written

1123
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:10,240
history from ancient samaria well then

1124
00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:11,760
i'm sure there's a race out there that's

1125
00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:12,800
done it

1126
00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:14,960
because if we look at the way planets

1127
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:16,720
are formed that's my specialty in

1128
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:19,040
astronomy is exoplanets right so if we

1129
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:20,480
look at the way these planets are being

1130
00:41:23,589 --> 00:41:21,440
formed

1131
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:23,599
it's a sliding window we see planets

1132
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:25,680
that are 12 billion years old

1133
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:28,240
the universe is 13.8 so planets have

1134
00:41:31,589 --> 00:41:29,920
been around for quite a while so along

1135
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:31,599
that sliding window planetary formation

1136
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:32,960
there's certainly going to be an alien

1137
00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:34,960
race that's managed to find something

1138
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:36,560
somewhere to find some way to get to

1139
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:38,640
advancement you know and they're not

1140
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:40,480
going to look like us

1141
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:44,000
because we look exactly the way we do

1142
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:46,000
because of five major extinction events

1143
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:48,480
and changes in biodiversity on our

1144
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:50,400
planet but that's not

1145
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:53,680
to say that it didn't happen another way

1146
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:55,760
to reach intelligence we only know how

1147
00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:57,359
intelligence can be reached from this

1148
00:41:59,589 --> 00:41:58,480
planet

1149
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:59,599
we don't know how it would work

1150
00:42:02,550 --> 00:42:00,720
elsewhere

1151
00:42:03,430 --> 00:42:02,560
right so they can be here i have no

1152
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:03,440
doubt and they could be here from

1153
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:05,280
multiple places

1154
00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:08,640
but but also you just say that that well

1155
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:10,720
we're a binocular vision

1156
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:11,920
bipedal

1157
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:15,200
uh that yep and and bilateral porter

1158
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:16,880
pets but i mean there's a lot of

1159
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:18,640
similarities to our species on this

1160
00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:19,599
planet

1161
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:22,480
symmetric

1162
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:26,720
radial symmetry like a tulip or a

1163
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:29,359
dandelion or whatever or bilaterally

1164
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:31,200
symmetric like most of the upper life

1165
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:32,400
forms

1166
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:34,160
starfish are odd because starfish start

1167
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:36,560
off as bilateral symmetric larvae and

1168
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:38,319
they become penta

1169
00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:39,839
tamers they become the

1170
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:41,119
pentamerism

1171
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:43,280
organisms where it's five-sided kind of

1172
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:45,839
a weird radial thing right but but still

1173
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:47,680
they're they've got to be alien

1174
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:49,359
they might be i think the octopus is

1175
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:50,560
alien to be honest yeah you know what

1176
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:51,839
they actually goes to me is the most

1177
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:54,000
intelligent uh animal and animal in the

1178
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:56,000
uh ocean amazing yeah i love those

1179
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:58,800
things yeah i don't want them on me

1180
00:43:02,710 --> 00:43:00,720
but i love those things i'll watch them

1181
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:02,720
from a distance okay you can play with

1182
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:05,280
them all right i have yeah oh

1183
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:07,920
stupid yeah not really one scared that

1184
00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:09,839
guy

1185
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:11,119
um so

1186
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:13,760
does anyone here would anyone here be up

1187
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:15,839
for talking about a personal ufo

1188
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:20,150
well

1189
00:43:24,790 --> 00:43:22,720
you saw the gimbal yeah do you want to

1190
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:24,800
talk about that i know you had before

1191
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:27,359
but yeah we'd love to hear it again

1192
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:31,119
um yeah so you know i was in the navy um

1193
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:33,920
i worked in intelligence

1194
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:36,960
for 16 years and

1195
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:38,800
i was stationed on board the theater

1196
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:41,200
roosevelt in 2015. we're gonna have to

1197
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:43,280
talk a little bit loud oh okay sorry

1198
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:45,359
that's right so uh i've stationed aboard

1199
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:50,000
the uss theater roosevelt in 2015 and um

1200
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:52,079
uh obviously working in intel i was kind

1201
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:55,520
of privy to what was happening

1202
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:58,640
on the ship and

1203
00:44:13,270 --> 00:44:00,480
i

1204
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:13,280
because they announced that

1205
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:14,800
and so i called up to my shop and i said

1206
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:16,480
hey is there is there anything i need to

1207
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:17,440
know about

1208
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:21,280
do i need to come upstairs i said no

1209
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:23,680
so the next day i go up to my shop and

1210
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:25,520
uh one of the buddy of mine

1211
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:27,280
uh from another part of the intel works

1212
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:29,119
more closely with the pilots came in

1213
00:44:32,950 --> 00:44:30,640
with shock and said

1214
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:32,960
hey look at this pull it up

1215
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:34,240
um

1216
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:37,760
so i i got on my computer and i pulled

1217
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:38,560
up

1218
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:40,640
uh what is now

1219
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:42,000
the gimbal

1220
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:43,520
video

1221
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:51,119
same

1222
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:54,079
incident but this was an incident that

1223
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:56,560
went on for four nights so they came

1224
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:59,440
back every night for four minutes

1225
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:01,440
but those those two the gimbal and the

1226
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:04,480
go fast i believe are from two um

1227
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:06,640
different nights

1228
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:07,599
yeah

1229
00:45:11,829 --> 00:45:10,319
and that's what started you on your

1230
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:11,839
whole path

1231
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:14,720
to uh things that other things happened

1232
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:15,760
you know we don't have to talk about

1233
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:17,599
that now but i mean that's what really

1234
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:19,280
got you involved in

1235
00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:21,359
i love your book by the way and i'm i'm

1236
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:23,359
into your book a good part of the way

1237
00:45:29,109 --> 00:45:26,079
and throw the name of it uh it's it's

1238
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:29,119
called initiated that's right yeah yeah

1239
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:30,640
here i am reading i can't even throw the

1240
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:33,200
title up there well you've probably read

1241
00:45:36,630 --> 00:45:34,720
so many

1242
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:36,640
a few yeah

1243
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:38,560
not as many as i should anyone else want

1244
00:45:41,589 --> 00:45:40,079
to feel up to talking about a personal

1245
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:41,599
sighting and if not

1246
00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:43,359
i have another thing to throw

1247
00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:45,839
so i started talking to other people

1248
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:47,920
like i talked to an investigator in the

1249
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:51,520
academy that i went to he saw the hudson

1250
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:52,560
valley

1251
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:53,839
the boomerang

1252
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:55,920
and when he's a teenager and i'm finding

1253
00:46:00,790 --> 00:45:58,800
everybody's got personal interest

1254
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:00,800
and i i shared it with stacy and i've

1255
00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:04,319
shared it here with these two but um

1256
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:07,599
so so it was summer late summer of 89

1257
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:09,119
and when you're talking about trying to

1258
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:11,119
go back and work things back

1259
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:12,880
um kind of have to do a little bit of

1260
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:16,640
that so we're up in a cabin uh pine

1261
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:19,920
mountain lake groveland and uh

1262
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:21,839
i'm an attorney general investigator for

1263
00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:23,680
the state of california for department

1264
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:24,960
of justice

1265
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:27,280
and my buddy is a homicide i think he

1266
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:28,560
was in homicide at the time he's

1267
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:30,079
detected with fremont so we've been

1268
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:32,400
buddies since we're 26 we hang around

1269
00:46:37,109 --> 00:46:34,640
together the families

1270
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:37,119
so we have both families at the cabin

1271
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:38,560
and uh

1272
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:39,440
so

1273
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:41,760
it's just a nice place to go for the for

1274
00:46:44,950 --> 00:46:43,520
the summer and his in-laws bonus was

1275
00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:44,960
free

1276
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:45,839
so

1277
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:47,839
we're up there and it's basically a

1278
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:49,599
rectangular cabin

1279
00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:52,800
and uh on this side of the room we have

1280
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:54,960
my room on one side bing's room thing

1281
00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:57,119
was his name on the other side of the

1282
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:58,000
cabin

1283
00:47:00,790 --> 00:46:59,119
uh

1284
00:47:02,710 --> 00:47:00,800
the kids were in the front room area

1285
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:02,720
stacked my daughter

1286
00:47:08,230 --> 00:47:05,520
about 14 at the time my son was 12 and

1287
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:08,240
then his son was about three

1288
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:10,000
and then on the right hand side of the

1289
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:12,640
room we have a half wall for the kitchen

1290
00:47:17,589 --> 00:47:14,720
in front of that we had kimmy's crib

1291
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:17,599
kimmy was born in may so she stole an

1292
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:19,599
infant late summer

1293
00:47:23,910 --> 00:47:21,839
and uh

1294
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:23,920
i just uh wake up in the middle of the

1295
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:26,000
night and i uh

1296
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:28,480
the door to my bedrooms to my left

1297
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:32,160
around the bed and my wife was

1298
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:34,640
facing away from me with her sleeping

1299
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:37,119
with her back to me and i hear something

1300
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:39,119
and i don't know what it is so i wake up

1301
00:47:44,309 --> 00:47:41,440
and i look at the doorway and you got a

1302
00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:44,319
little gray there and uh you're having

1303
00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:46,880
that wtf moment uh because it's like

1304
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:48,800
that really um

1305
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:50,640
vivid bad dream

1306
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:54,000
and uh i look at that thing

1307
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:55,520
and we're talking

1308
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:57,680
do you remember uh they had those really

1309
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:59,839
tight black almost like a shark skin

1310
00:48:02,950 --> 00:48:01,440
swimsuit that they were trying to during

1311
00:48:05,829 --> 00:48:02,960
the olympics when

1312
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:05,839
uh uh i think china but anyway i was

1313
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:07,839
looking at those it's a skin-tight black

1314
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:08,800
suit

1315
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:10,480
um it comes up to about the middle of

1316
00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:11,680
his neck

1317
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:13,040
um

1318
00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:15,119
and you know when people talk about hand

1319
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:16,640
stuff i couldn't even tell you but he's

1320
00:48:20,790 --> 00:48:19,520
got like little pecks little little buys

1321
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:20,800
um

1322
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:22,400
the long neck

1323
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:25,680
and those eyes are uh like big bug eyes

1324
00:48:30,790 --> 00:48:28,160
and they're not there's no pupil there's

1325
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:30,800
no blinking it's like a pair of lenses

1326
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:32,400
it's almost like they just like their

1327
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:33,520
goggles

1328
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:35,920
and uh

1329
00:48:39,109 --> 00:48:38,240
the the i think it's called the amco it

1330
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:39,119
was an

1331
00:48:43,510 --> 00:48:41,760
advertisement amco alien it was in one

1332
00:48:46,309 --> 00:48:43,520
of the aerospace magazines that's

1333
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:46,319
probably the closest i saw to it um and

1334
00:48:50,549 --> 00:48:48,400
his eyes are a little bit uh bigger than

1335
00:48:51,750 --> 00:48:50,559
on the one that i was looking at but i'm

1336
00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:51,760
looking at it

1337
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:53,680
and i'm thinking bedroom

1338
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:56,880
and then uh it says to me but not

1339
00:49:00,790 --> 00:48:59,040
verbally telepathically

1340
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:00,800
it says you can't move and i couldn't

1341
00:49:06,790 --> 00:49:04,079
move and uh

1342
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:06,800
okay i'm a copper i don't take orders

1343
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:09,359
from people i give orders and i was

1344
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:10,480
thinking

1345
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:12,720
i couldn't move and then i went to moon

1346
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:14,880
again and it said to me and this is in

1347
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:17,520
english you can't move

1348
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:18,960
and i thought

1349
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:20,400
i almost kind of panicked a little bit

1350
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:23,040
there's like i can't move and then

1351
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:25,680
i can hear him uh they're not speaking

1352
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:27,440
in english but i went there's two more i

1353
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:28,559
just knew there were two more in the

1354
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:29,599
front room

1355
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:31,920
and uh the that my kids are out

1356
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:34,079
there so uh

1357
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:36,240
i hit the floor and when i hit the floor

1358
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:37,760
and i looked at him i thought i'm gonna

1359
00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:39,359
twist that big bulbous head off you're

1360
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:42,640
seeing a little neck and uh and he's

1361
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:44,240
telling me i can't move as i'm hitting

1362
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:46,400
the floor and then he turns the run from

1363
00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:47,119
me

1364
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:49,040
when he goes out of the room

1365
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:51,599
um their syntax on their little jerbling

1366
00:49:57,109 --> 00:49:54,160
goes up a really rapid and when he goes

1367
00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:57,119
out of the room with me on his ass uh

1368
00:50:01,910 --> 00:50:00,000
he hits face to face with the other one

1369
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:01,920
and then they take off through my the

1370
00:50:05,349 --> 00:50:03,520
front room and this is probably not much

1371
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:05,359
bigger than this room here and as

1372
00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:07,520
they're going into the front room

1373
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:09,440
i'm thinking i'm going to tackle both

1374
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:13,040
these boys and then i look and to the uh

1375
00:50:16,150 --> 00:50:14,880
to my right is the crib and one of them

1376
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:16,160
has kimmy

1377
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:18,240
and he just looks at me and when he

1378
00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:20,640
looked back at me i went after him

1379
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:22,079
instead of

1380
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:23,520
the other two

1381
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:25,359
he said he only had her

1382
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:27,920
inch or two off the bed so and he

1383
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:29,440
just sets her down

1384
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:31,760
he starts going with those other three i

1385
00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:33,680
got i know i'm the owner because it's

1386
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:35,359
like you know 10 feet to the end of the

1387
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:38,400
cabin white light comes down

1388
00:50:42,470 --> 00:50:40,720
bright white light uh you have shadows

1389
00:50:43,829 --> 00:50:42,480
in here you guys can see them

1390
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:43,839
but

1391
00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:46,319
the light went it started as bright

1392
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:47,920
light and then it just went through

1393
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:50,000
everything there's no shadows underneath

1394
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:52,960
there's uh i mean and it's loud humming

1395
00:50:58,390 --> 00:50:55,920
and then i'm just by myself and white

1396
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:58,400
light and it's

1397
00:51:01,270 --> 00:50:59,359
um

1398
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:01,280
loud and then

1399
00:51:05,109 --> 00:51:03,119
boom it's gone and it's like you're in a

1400
00:51:07,030 --> 00:51:05,119
bar and when the music's really played

1401
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:07,040
and the music goes and you're screaming

1402
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:08,880
well now i'm standing in the front room

1403
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:11,200
but i'm looking back toward my bedroom

1404
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:13,040
and my kids are on my right

1405
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:14,559
and they're looking at me like really

1406
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:15,599
bad

1407
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:18,000
and uh they're in sleeping bags and

1408
00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:19,200
they're just there with their mouths

1409
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:21,520
open watching me and i uh

1410
00:51:25,589 --> 00:51:24,240
i look at them and i think uh

1411
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:25,599
i thought okay

1412
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:27,359
then i hear my buddy and his wife

1413
00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:29,200
they're crying they're wailing i thought

1414
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:30,800
maybe they got into a ball i don't know

1415
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:33,040
usually with you know coppers if your

1416
00:51:37,030 --> 00:51:34,800
buddy's in another room he's gonna come

1417
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:37,040
out he didn't come out so i asked him

1418
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:39,040
twice if he's okay he goes i'm fine just

1419
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:41,839
go to bed so then i thought okay i just

1420
00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:44,160
embarrassed myself in front of all my

1421
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:46,319
friends and had a super graphic bad

1422
00:51:48,829 --> 00:51:47,280
drink

1423
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:48,839
so then

1424
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:51,760
um at that point uh

1425
00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:54,240
we just bing and i being kind of hit me

1426
00:51:58,390 --> 00:51:56,000
up about it like he can't tell people

1427
00:52:00,630 --> 00:51:58,400
you know we gotta go okay whatever so

1428
00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:00,640
i'm just assuming it was an embarrassing

1429
00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:03,119
moment for me so my son was 12. he goes

1430
00:52:08,950 --> 00:52:06,640
in the navy's uh uh he was uh a.z

1431
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:08,960
and uh he comes home on leave he's 18.

1432
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:11,280
he goes can i ask you a question i go

1433
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:12,480
what's that because when those little

1434
00:52:15,990 --> 00:52:14,400
grey guys came in the cabin how can we

1435
00:52:18,309 --> 00:52:16,000
never talk about that

1436
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:18,319
and i go you saw him too he goes well i

1437
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:20,800
saw the big bolt of light that hit you

1438
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:23,440
and um but he said sis has gone to

1439
00:52:28,549 --> 00:52:25,839
counseling and everything else she saw

1440
00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:28,559
mom saw but she was playing um

1441
00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:30,880
blossom because they scared her

1442
00:52:37,109 --> 00:52:33,040
and uh ben would still want to talk to

1443
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:38,630
putting all that together i was trying

1444
00:52:41,510 --> 00:52:40,559
to think uh so bing

1445
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:41,520
later

1446
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:43,280
uh just before he died we're on the

1447
00:52:46,470 --> 00:52:45,040
beach down in

1448
00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:46,480
san diego i was down there for half

1449
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:49,040
marathon he was down there for his uh

1450
00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:51,520
new newest grand baby so where the beach

1451
00:52:55,349 --> 00:52:54,240
sums it by that giggle that he goes like

1452
00:52:57,190 --> 00:52:55,359
you don't remember any of that he

1453
00:52:59,109 --> 00:52:57,200
doesn't remember all of it but you can't

1454
00:53:01,670 --> 00:52:59,119
tell people about this are jobs about

1455
00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:01,680
credibility and i'm like we're retired

1456
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:04,000
because i don't care so uh

1457
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:06,559
so then genie said his wife says all i

1458
00:53:10,150 --> 00:53:08,160
remember is sitting on the side of the

1459
00:53:11,670 --> 00:53:10,160
bed crying with a big bright white like

1460
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:11,680
a landing light over me that's all i

1461
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:12,720
remember

1462
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:14,559
so um

1463
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:16,640
so

1464
00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:18,720
when it comes to memories um that's why

1465
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:20,800
i read uh that book uh forbidden

1466
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:22,640
questions i've read books since i mean i

1467
00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:24,160
can't tell you how many books i've read

1468
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:26,720
on this thing uh for many years i was

1469
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:28,720
trying to sort out with the regression i

1470
00:53:31,990 --> 00:53:30,800
liked elon smith

1471
00:53:34,630 --> 00:53:32,000
uh

1472
00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:34,640
watching videos and because i was a

1473
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:35,920
copper for

1474
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:38,960
you know 25 years and i kind of read

1475
00:53:43,109 --> 00:53:41,040
people or i kind of wait and let it

1476
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:43,119
settled in i kind of liked

1477
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:45,760
talking to her but then again

1478
00:53:48,950 --> 00:53:47,440
i talked to my daughter i said do you

1479
00:53:50,950 --> 00:53:48,960
want to do something like that and she

1480
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:50,960
does it i remember parts of it but if i

1481
00:53:55,589 --> 00:53:53,599
don't remember all of it my brain knows

1482
00:53:57,910 --> 00:53:55,599
what's best for me i don't want to i

1483
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:57,920
don't want to deal with it anymore uh

1484
00:54:01,670 --> 00:53:59,280
and i don't want to do something like

1485
00:54:02,710 --> 00:54:01,680
that so then i tried to sort it out so

1486
00:54:05,510 --> 00:54:02,720
there

1487
00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:05,520
my wife's my this is my first wife her

1488
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:07,440
father was a

1489
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:09,839
minuteman missile he did patent advising

1490
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:11,520
mechanical drawing he's a high-end

1491
00:54:15,430 --> 00:54:12,640
little guy

1492
00:54:17,589 --> 00:54:15,440
and uh then bing's family bing's half

1493
00:54:19,589 --> 00:54:17,599
cherokee he's a 300 pound guy he's good

1494
00:54:21,190 --> 00:54:19,599
for backup when he comes

1495
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:21,200
when he comes charging it's going to

1496
00:54:26,309 --> 00:54:24,640
happen um so i'm thinking i know they

1497
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:26,319
from reading they say they follow

1498
00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:27,520
families

1499
00:54:36,069 --> 00:54:33,200
thinking well maybe it's my wife's side

1500
00:54:37,829 --> 00:54:36,079
of the family because of uh the minimum

1501
00:54:40,230 --> 00:54:37,839
missile and

1502
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:40,240
kids are extremely bright

1503
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:41,839
and then maybe it's bank side because

1504
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:43,440
he's american indian and he seems to

1505
00:54:47,750 --> 00:54:45,839
want to just kiss it right off so i

1506
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:47,760
don't know but uh

1507
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:50,400
that's what got me interested yeah

1508
00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:52,000
great by the way i don't think we're

1509
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:54,240
supposed to say the word oh excuse

1510
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:55,680
me that's okay

1511
00:54:58,789 --> 00:54:56,480
um

1512
00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:58,799
oh did i just say that all right sorry

1513
00:55:04,470 --> 00:55:01,200
um all right so we're going into break

1514
00:55:06,309 --> 00:55:04,480
for those of you over at kg r a radio uh

1515
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:06,319
we have about a four minute break for

1516
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:08,559
those of you watching uh check out this

1517
00:55:13,930 --> 00:55:11,440
clip on the boot camp going right now

1518
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:13,940
hang in there we'll be right back

1519
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:26,350
so

1520
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:40,870
what not to do very very very important

1521
00:55:44,950 --> 00:55:43,920
do not be biased okay

1522
00:55:47,910 --> 00:55:44,960
um

1523
00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:47,920
don't go in an interview and think god

1524
00:55:52,470 --> 00:55:50,400
this guy or this gal

1525
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:52,480
um this is going to be kind of a rep

1526
00:55:55,270 --> 00:55:53,440
case

1527
00:55:56,230 --> 00:55:55,280
uh i'm just going to go do what i have

1528
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:56,240
to do

1529
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:57,839
and

1530
00:56:01,349 --> 00:55:59,280
not even pay attention to it because

1531
00:56:03,829 --> 00:56:01,359
this is going to be perfect

1532
00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:03,839
don't be biased on that person

1533
00:56:11,349 --> 00:56:05,520
stay impartial

1534
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:13,829
suggestibility

1535
00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:15,359
there are a lot of people and there are

1536
00:56:20,710 --> 00:56:17,119
some mental illnesses that really

1537
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:20,720
increase this are highly successful

1538
00:56:24,789 --> 00:56:23,040
meaning that

1539
00:56:26,789 --> 00:56:24,799
they're impressionable

1540
00:56:28,870 --> 00:56:26,799
they'll take other people's viewpoints

1541
00:56:32,230 --> 00:56:28,880
into consideration and sometimes even to

1542
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:32,240
the point of countering their own

1543
00:56:36,950 --> 00:56:33,839
memory out of

1544
00:56:39,829 --> 00:56:36,960
an event and then bias

1545
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:39,839
this is basically after the fact

1546
00:56:44,069 --> 00:56:41,200
incorporating

1547
00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:44,079
new feelings new information and kind of

1548
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:46,880
coloring and changing your memory

1549
00:56:49,750 --> 00:56:47,680
uh

1550
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:49,760
based on things

1551
00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:00,549
if it costs money it's worth it you know

1552
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:02,640
why it's because it does augmented

1553
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:03,920
reality you pull it up and there's

1554
00:57:09,430 --> 00:57:05,760
others that do this but this one is

1555
00:57:11,589 --> 00:57:09,440
better and the reason is because

1556
00:57:14,950 --> 00:57:11,599
because this is what it looks like when

1557
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:14,960
you zoom in and say orion okay you see

1558
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:17,440
everything that's in that constellation

1559
00:57:21,190 --> 00:57:19,920
information okay and you can even

1560
00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:21,200
subscribe to something called

1561
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:23,680
supermassive which allows you to zoom in

1562
00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:26,640
to the orion nebula so far that it's

1563
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:29,119
just a pink haze you're so close you can

1564
00:57:33,349 --> 00:57:30,480
see everything

1565
00:57:38,069 --> 00:57:35,910
and in the desert you can step on any

1566
00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:38,079
piece of ground you're always going to

1567
00:57:42,309 --> 00:57:40,720
leave some evidence of your passing that

1568
00:57:44,549 --> 00:57:42,319
area

1569
00:57:46,230 --> 00:57:44,559
it could be just a pebble that's pushed

1570
00:57:47,349 --> 00:57:46,240
into the ground a little deeper than the

1571
00:57:49,349 --> 00:57:47,359
rest of it

1572
00:57:51,270 --> 00:57:49,359
could be a whole footprint or even a

1573
00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:51,280
heel mark

1574
00:57:56,309 --> 00:57:53,760
might be something really really small

1575
00:57:57,670 --> 00:57:56,319
but you have to be aware of them

1576
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:57,680
and

1577
00:58:02,150 --> 00:57:59,680
in the case of hoaxes

1578
00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:02,160
this is going to come to the forefront

1579
00:58:06,230 --> 00:58:03,760
if you go around and you see this

1580
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:06,240
evidence but you see footprints around

1581
00:58:11,670 --> 00:58:08,000
everything you're gonna start to wonder

1582
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:11,680
is this stuff planted here

1583
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:12,960
you know are they trying to make a

1584
00:58:19,610 --> 00:58:14,640
poodle out of me or are they trying to

1585
00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:19,620
gain some kind of notoriety or attention

1586
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:23,520
[Applause]

1587
00:58:39,370 --> 00:59:09,030
[Music]

1588
00:59:14,309 --> 00:59:11,910
stand by martin coming back in three

1589
00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:14,319
two one go

1590
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:16,640
all right everyone welcome back

1591
00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:18,480
this is martin willis and we are on

1592
00:59:22,309 --> 00:59:20,960
location in mesa

1593
00:59:24,470 --> 00:59:22,319
that's how you say it right yes you're

1594
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:24,480
right you got it all right

1595
00:59:29,270 --> 00:59:26,000
so um again we're going to be taking

1596
00:59:31,750 --> 00:59:29,280
calls and another half hour and

1597
00:59:33,750 --> 00:59:31,760
uh i that was a

1598
00:59:36,309 --> 00:59:33,760
quite an amazing story you told there

1599
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:36,319
and i wondered if anyone else had

1600
00:59:40,069 --> 00:59:38,640
anything they'd like to share

1601
00:59:42,390 --> 00:59:40,079
and

1602
00:59:44,150 --> 00:59:42,400
ufo sighting

1603
00:59:45,430 --> 00:59:44,160
experiences

1604
00:59:47,589 --> 00:59:45,440
yeah i know that

1605
00:59:50,069 --> 00:59:47,599
you know

1606
00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:50,079
i'm a science guy right so

1607
00:59:53,270 --> 00:59:52,000
i always say it's a sort of a standard

1608
00:59:54,789 --> 00:59:53,280
line you know these things don't happen

1609
00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:54,799
to me

1610
00:59:58,630 --> 00:59:56,880
right but when they do

1611
01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:58,640
uh what do you do with that

1612
01:00:02,230 --> 01:00:00,480
you know and so

1613
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:02,240
i've had things happen that i can't

1614
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:03,839
explain

1615
01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:06,000
things that are so far outside of my

1616
01:00:11,829 --> 01:00:08,000
understanding

1617
01:00:13,270 --> 01:00:11,839
that uh there's just

1618
01:00:14,470 --> 01:00:13,280
you just have to say

1619
01:00:16,470 --> 01:00:14,480
this happened

1620
01:00:17,349 --> 01:00:16,480
there it is i don't know what to do with

1621
01:00:20,309 --> 01:00:17,359
it

1622
01:00:22,390 --> 01:00:20,319
you know and i had uh

1623
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:22,400
i had three nights of terror which

1624
01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:24,240
actually caused me to move out of my old

1625
01:00:26,470 --> 01:00:25,520
house

1626
01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:26,480
where

1627
01:00:29,510 --> 01:00:27,280
uh

1628
01:00:32,230 --> 01:00:29,520
i kept hearing something knocking you

1629
01:00:35,349 --> 01:00:33,750
on my ceiling

1630
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:35,359
um in a

1631
01:00:40,630 --> 01:00:37,920
second floor of a dormant cape

1632
01:00:43,109 --> 01:00:40,640
and uh the end result was um

1633
01:00:45,510 --> 01:00:43,119
there was on the third night of that

1634
01:00:47,270 --> 01:00:45,520
i woke up and it was 3 15 a.m each and

1635
01:00:49,589 --> 01:00:47,280
every night every every morning i should

1636
01:00:53,349 --> 01:00:49,599
say 3 15 and i look at the clock it's 3

1637
01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:55,270
what's going on my dogs were looking at

1638
01:00:58,470 --> 01:00:57,040
it okay

1639
01:01:00,309 --> 01:00:58,480
they had greyhounds

1640
01:01:01,670 --> 01:01:00,319
tycoon kepler right astronomers dogs

1641
01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:01,680
they always say

1642
01:01:04,950 --> 01:01:04,079
and so they're looking at this too

1643
01:01:05,910 --> 01:01:04,960
and

1644
01:01:07,990 --> 01:01:05,920
um

1645
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:08,000
you know to shorten that down to you

1646
01:01:10,470 --> 01:01:08,880
know

1647
01:01:13,109 --> 01:01:10,480
digestible

1648
01:01:14,549 --> 01:01:13,119
the bottom line was on the third night

1649
01:01:16,870 --> 01:01:14,559
i woke up again

1650
01:01:18,870 --> 01:01:16,880
and like oh here we go again and i as i

1651
01:01:19,750 --> 01:01:18,880
woke up i'm sitting there and i go to

1652
01:01:21,589 --> 01:01:19,760
look

1653
01:01:23,430 --> 01:01:21,599
it's an august night it's dark the

1654
01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:23,440
windows the window i could see the it

1655
01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:24,960
was peripheral vision i could see that

1656
01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:26,400
the light outside the window the street

1657
01:01:30,950 --> 01:01:28,160
light in the distance

1658
01:01:32,549 --> 01:01:30,960
vaguely illuminates the window frame

1659
01:01:34,630 --> 01:01:32,559
and i just

1660
01:01:36,789 --> 01:01:34,640
went to look at it and i got this really

1661
01:01:39,430 --> 01:01:36,799
sharp pain in my eyes i couldn't move my

1662
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:39,440
my head and when i went up with my eyes

1663
01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:41,599
i couldn't move my eyes my eyes wouldn't

1664
01:01:45,430 --> 01:01:43,440
move i couldn't do this

1665
01:01:47,750 --> 01:01:45,440
you know they wouldn't work

1666
01:01:49,430 --> 01:01:47,760
and i thought whoa what's going on here

1667
01:01:50,950 --> 01:01:49,440
and then i saw it

1668
01:01:53,910 --> 01:01:50,960
this object passed in front of the

1669
01:01:56,309 --> 01:01:53,920
window and it looked like it had some

1670
01:01:59,029 --> 01:01:56,319
kind of more vertical than horizontal

1671
01:02:00,390 --> 01:01:59,039
form okay it was taller than it was wide

1672
01:02:03,589 --> 01:02:00,400
and then it starts coming right toward

1673
01:02:06,309 --> 01:02:03,599
me and it's got what looks like a

1674
01:02:08,230 --> 01:02:06,319
a magic wand a magician's wand right it

1675
01:02:11,190 --> 01:02:08,240
was this long thing

1676
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:11,200
that was clear semi-clear and glowing

1677
01:02:14,470 --> 01:02:12,480
soft white

1678
01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:14,480
and i couldn't look at it because i was

1679
01:02:16,950 --> 01:02:15,760
fixed like this my eyes were like this

1680
01:02:19,270 --> 01:02:16,960
so i only see everything in the

1681
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:19,280
peripheral vision i couldn't look at it

1682
01:02:22,150 --> 01:02:20,720
so it comes over here and starts going

1683
01:02:24,630 --> 01:02:22,160
back and forth in front of my face and

1684
01:02:26,230 --> 01:02:24,640
then wow it's morning

1685
01:02:29,510 --> 01:02:26,240
and i can't breathe

1686
01:02:31,349 --> 01:02:29,520
and just just let me just so it sounded

1687
01:02:33,589 --> 01:02:31,359
like we first started talking about this

1688
01:02:36,470 --> 01:02:33,599
that it was outside was this inside your

1689
01:02:38,789 --> 01:02:36,480
home it was inside inside yeah yeah the

1690
01:02:39,510 --> 01:02:38,799
knockout was illuminating the windows

1691
01:02:41,190 --> 01:02:39,520
yeah

1692
01:02:43,029 --> 01:02:41,200
he passed in front of the window inside

1693
01:02:45,029 --> 01:02:43,039
my house so i saw something pass in

1694
01:02:47,270 --> 01:02:45,039
front of the window i got it and i was

1695
01:02:49,029 --> 01:02:47,280
in bed at least i thought

1696
01:02:51,589 --> 01:02:49,039
but then it came toward me as if the bed

1697
01:02:54,069 --> 01:02:51,599
wasn't there and and i've always said

1698
01:02:55,910 --> 01:02:54,079
could it be a wacky dream or maybe but

1699
01:02:58,069 --> 01:02:55,920
the problem with that

1700
01:02:59,270 --> 01:02:58,079
is as follows when i woke up in the

1701
01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:59,280
morning

1702
01:03:03,029 --> 01:03:00,960
uh i pushed off the pillow because i

1703
01:03:04,710 --> 01:03:03,039
couldn't breathe and i was lying in a

1704
01:03:06,549 --> 01:03:04,720
pool of my own blood

1705
01:03:08,630 --> 01:03:06,559
it was a i had who sleeps with their

1706
01:03:09,750 --> 01:03:08,640
face straight down on a pillow you know

1707
01:03:11,349 --> 01:03:09,760
nobody

1708
01:03:13,750 --> 01:03:11,359
you sleep on your side or on your back

1709
01:03:15,750 --> 01:03:13,760
or whatever but i was straight down

1710
01:03:17,029 --> 01:03:15,760
and making this concave hole i had been

1711
01:03:19,190 --> 01:03:17,039
bleeding into it and then trying to

1712
01:03:20,470 --> 01:03:19,200
inhale my own blood so that's what made

1713
01:03:22,950 --> 01:03:20,480
me wake up

1714
01:03:24,630 --> 01:03:22,960
so i realized that and i was like holy

1715
01:03:26,470 --> 01:03:24,640
cow and this is after three nights of

1716
01:03:29,029 --> 01:03:26,480
hearing the sound and weird stuff going

1717
01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:29,039
on so then

1718
01:03:32,630 --> 01:03:31,200
i got up felt like i'd been slammed in

1719
01:03:34,390 --> 01:03:32,640
the face couldn't breathe out of this

1720
01:03:35,349 --> 01:03:34,400
side right away right from that break

1721
01:03:37,510 --> 01:03:35,359
point

1722
01:03:39,029 --> 01:03:37,520
and i did what anyone who suffers such a

1723
01:03:41,349 --> 01:03:39,039
traumatic thing does

1724
01:03:43,109 --> 01:03:41,359
i immediately forgot about it bashar

1725
01:03:45,109 --> 01:03:43,119
went to work

1726
01:03:45,910 --> 01:03:45,119
right

1727
01:03:47,750 --> 01:03:45,920
well

1728
01:03:50,230 --> 01:03:47,760
it took me four years

1729
01:03:51,750 --> 01:03:50,240
of full blockage on this side before i

1730
01:03:53,349 --> 01:03:51,760
went to a surgeon

1731
01:03:55,510 --> 01:03:53,359
and the surgeon looked up in there and

1732
01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:55,520
he said holy cow he says you've got

1733
01:03:58,630 --> 01:03:57,440
something huge up there

1734
01:03:59,750 --> 01:03:58,640
really

1735
01:04:02,150 --> 01:03:59,760
yeah

1736
01:04:04,069 --> 01:04:02,160
so he said i think i can get it out

1737
01:04:06,150 --> 01:04:04,079
and he pulled it through this little

1738
01:04:08,630 --> 01:04:06,160
tiny nostril it was like two sizes two

1739
01:04:11,190 --> 01:04:08,640
thumbs in size okay which is and that's

1740
01:04:12,470 --> 01:04:11,200
gross and then it's just well it was

1741
01:04:14,150 --> 01:04:12,480
like you know

1742
01:04:15,430 --> 01:04:14,160
i always say this like total recall with

1743
01:04:17,670 --> 01:04:15,440
arnold schwarzenegger pulling that ball

1744
01:04:19,510 --> 01:04:17,680
out of that you get it out yeah

1745
01:04:20,870 --> 01:04:19,520
he pulls this thing out right and it

1746
01:04:23,109 --> 01:04:20,880
just feels that the nostril just

1747
01:04:25,589 --> 01:04:23,119
stretches and it pops out you know

1748
01:04:26,390 --> 01:04:25,599
well that's how it felt okay it was

1749
01:04:29,190 --> 01:04:26,400
gross

1750
01:04:31,589 --> 01:04:29,200
well anyway um i asked him a question i

1751
01:04:32,870 --> 01:04:31,599
said look i'm just curious could those

1752
01:04:34,470 --> 01:04:32,880
things

1753
01:04:36,789 --> 01:04:34,480
seed

1754
01:04:38,789 --> 01:04:36,799
around a foreign object

1755
01:04:41,910 --> 01:04:38,799
and he said you mean like a metal

1756
01:04:44,309 --> 01:04:41,920
splinter a machinist might get i go yes

1757
01:04:47,109 --> 01:04:44,319
he said sure why do you ask

1758
01:04:48,870 --> 01:04:47,119
an idiot here that's me

1759
01:04:49,829 --> 01:04:48,880
told him the story i just sort of told

1760
01:04:51,829 --> 01:04:49,839
you

1761
01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:51,839
and he laughs oh he goes i'm sure it's

1762
01:04:54,870 --> 01:04:53,520
not aliens and i really was kind of

1763
01:04:56,870 --> 01:04:54,880
surprised that he jumped to that

1764
01:04:58,950 --> 01:04:56,880
conclusion i said no of course not i

1765
01:05:01,029 --> 01:04:58,960
wouldn't think that well i did

1766
01:05:02,549 --> 01:05:01,039
you know i wasn't sure

1767
01:05:04,549 --> 01:05:02,559
and then a week later he said call me

1768
01:05:05,270 --> 01:05:04,559
i'll give you the results i call them

1769
01:05:09,349 --> 01:05:05,280
and

1770
01:05:10,950 --> 01:05:09,359
this is marc d'antonio hold on the

1771
01:05:13,349 --> 01:05:10,960
doctor has to talk to you

1772
01:05:14,549 --> 01:05:13,359
like oh no it's like head cancer or

1773
01:05:16,150 --> 01:05:14,559
something that's kind of my head's going

1774
01:05:18,069 --> 01:05:16,160
to fall off you know

1775
01:05:19,270 --> 01:05:18,079
he gets on the phone hey mr antonio just

1776
01:05:21,349 --> 01:05:19,280
won't let you know

1777
01:05:23,109 --> 01:05:21,359
i'm sure it's benign

1778
01:05:26,069 --> 01:05:23,119
oh i said so you didn't get the results

1779
01:05:28,470 --> 01:05:26,079
yet it's like

1780
01:05:29,510 --> 01:05:28,480
it's like you know was that a qriket yes

1781
01:05:31,750 --> 01:05:29,520
okay

1782
01:05:33,910 --> 01:05:31,760
and i'm saying like why why are you not

1783
01:05:34,710 --> 01:05:33,920
answering and i said

1784
01:05:37,029 --> 01:05:34,720
what

1785
01:05:38,150 --> 01:05:37,039
did you not get the results yet he goes

1786
01:05:40,630 --> 01:05:38,160
well

1787
01:05:43,029 --> 01:05:40,640
he goes this has not happened

1788
01:05:45,109 --> 01:05:43,039
in 40 years of practice they always say

1789
01:05:46,710 --> 01:05:45,119
that why why me why does that be 40

1790
01:05:47,750 --> 01:05:46,720
years of practice and to me

1791
01:05:51,109 --> 01:05:47,760
he goes

1792
01:05:54,069 --> 01:05:51,119
but we sent it to pathology they signed

1793
01:05:55,190 --> 01:05:54,079
for it and now they can't find it

1794
01:05:57,670 --> 01:05:55,200
wow

1795
01:06:00,309 --> 01:05:57,680
yes but it's benign and i just said okay

1796
01:06:01,750 --> 01:06:00,319
no problem thanks doc hung up four years

1797
01:06:04,470 --> 01:06:01,760
later i go back to him for something

1798
01:06:07,029 --> 01:06:04,480
else and this time i put on my my intake

1799
01:06:08,549 --> 01:06:07,039
form i do special projects for the navy

1800
01:06:10,309 --> 01:06:08,559
okay and

1801
01:06:11,910 --> 01:06:10,319
when he comes into the room

1802
01:06:14,069 --> 01:06:11,920
uh he says oh special projects for the

1803
01:06:16,630 --> 01:06:14,079
navy hi he goes i just gave up my top

1804
01:06:19,510 --> 01:06:16,640
secret clearance this year uh

1805
01:06:22,069 --> 01:06:19,520
what i said what are you operating on

1806
01:06:24,069 --> 01:06:22,079
top secret nasal things we wanted any

1807
01:06:26,710 --> 01:06:24,079
last no no no he goes i wasn't always a

1808
01:06:29,029 --> 01:06:26,720
surgeon and he proceeded to tell me

1809
01:06:30,870 --> 01:06:29,039
about his involvement in a project which

1810
01:06:34,069 --> 01:06:30,880
he didn't give me the name but which i

1811
01:06:35,910 --> 01:06:34,079
deduced to be project starfish

1812
01:06:36,950 --> 01:06:35,920
now do you know about project starfish

1813
01:06:39,829 --> 01:06:36,960
have you heard of it it's the one where

1814
01:06:42,309 --> 01:06:39,839
they they sent a nuclear weapon up into

1815
01:06:43,750 --> 01:06:42,319
the ionosphere to just to ostensibly

1816
01:06:46,069 --> 01:06:43,760
study what happens when the nuclear

1817
01:06:48,630 --> 01:06:46,079
weapon explodes in the upper ionosphere

1818
01:06:50,150 --> 01:06:48,640
but he he laughed when i said that okay

1819
01:06:50,950 --> 01:06:50,160
to him when he said it to me and i said

1820
01:06:52,710 --> 01:06:50,960
well

1821
01:06:54,230 --> 01:06:52,720
i said that sounds like project starfish

1822
01:06:56,069 --> 01:06:54,240
i mean that that that project lit up

1823
01:06:59,190 --> 01:06:56,079
honolulu for a split second when they

1824
01:07:02,309 --> 01:06:59,200
set it off and it was 1600 miles away

1825
01:07:05,270 --> 01:07:02,319
and he goes uh-huh he goes

1826
01:07:07,829 --> 01:07:05,280
well it it wasn't to test the nuke

1827
01:07:09,349 --> 01:07:07,839
it was to take down the satellite

1828
01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:09,359
which they did and he said it was

1829
01:07:13,750 --> 01:07:11,200
successful and he was responsible for

1830
01:07:15,670 --> 01:07:13,760
some major part of that and he held on

1831
01:07:16,710 --> 01:07:15,680
to his clearance for decades and was a

1832
01:07:17,750 --> 01:07:16,720
consultant

1833
01:07:20,150 --> 01:07:17,760
so

1834
01:07:22,309 --> 01:07:20,160
he had just given it up that year and

1835
01:07:23,910 --> 01:07:22,319
now i know exactly what happened

1836
01:07:25,190 --> 01:07:23,920
i know exactly what happened well almost

1837
01:07:26,309 --> 01:07:25,200
everybody listening knows exactly what

1838
01:07:28,230 --> 01:07:26,319
happened

1839
01:07:30,390 --> 01:07:28,240
when you have a clearance you have to

1840
01:07:32,630 --> 01:07:30,400
report anything that may jeopardize

1841
01:07:35,910 --> 01:07:32,640
national security to

1842
01:07:39,510 --> 01:07:35,920
you or whoever you communicate with okay

1843
01:07:41,190 --> 01:07:39,520
and so you have to say um yes

1844
01:07:42,630 --> 01:07:41,200
this happened and so-and-so had this

1845
01:07:43,750 --> 01:07:42,640
happen and maybe he might be interested

1846
01:07:45,190 --> 01:07:43,760
in this

1847
01:07:46,470 --> 01:07:45,200
i know how the conversation went i could

1848
01:07:48,549 --> 01:07:46,480
just feel it

1849
01:07:50,710 --> 01:07:48,559
he probably called whoever he talks to

1850
01:07:52,710 --> 01:07:50,720
whoever his local person is for

1851
01:07:54,390 --> 01:07:52,720
intelligence and he says yeah i had a

1852
01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:54,400
patient who said this weird thing

1853
01:07:58,549 --> 01:07:56,720
happened to him you know it is a strange

1854
01:07:59,430 --> 01:07:58,559
object but i don't know if i believe

1855
01:08:01,270 --> 01:07:59,440
them

1856
01:08:03,029 --> 01:08:01,280
okay what's the patient's name uh-huh

1857
01:08:04,549 --> 01:08:03,039
hospital or huh and where's it located

1858
01:08:06,710 --> 01:08:04,559
there's where it's located

1859
01:08:08,950 --> 01:08:06,720
and that's why it went away

1860
01:08:10,710 --> 01:08:08,960
and now you see that doctor has

1861
01:08:12,230 --> 01:08:10,720
plausible deniability

1862
01:08:14,309 --> 01:08:12,240
under a polygraph

1863
01:08:17,269 --> 01:08:14,319
which i've had many of

1864
01:08:19,829 --> 01:08:17,279
under a polygraph exam he would not be

1865
01:08:21,030 --> 01:08:19,839
telling a lie if he said he didn't know

1866
01:08:22,630 --> 01:08:21,040
where it went

1867
01:08:24,309 --> 01:08:22,640
he'd be truthful he wouldn't be

1868
01:08:26,789 --> 01:08:24,319
deceptive

1869
01:08:28,149 --> 01:08:26,799
so we see they that they cover all along

1870
01:08:30,630 --> 01:08:28,159
the way they have those little those

1871
01:08:32,630 --> 01:08:30,640
little outs for people who are in

1872
01:08:34,390 --> 01:08:32,640
innocent so he's out he has no knowledge

1873
01:08:35,590 --> 01:08:34,400
of where it went he sent it down a

1874
01:08:38,709 --> 01:08:35,600
pathology

1875
01:08:40,709 --> 01:08:38,719
and it wasn't there a week later now was

1876
01:08:42,070 --> 01:08:40,719
that tapping happening upstairs at the

1877
01:08:42,870 --> 01:08:42,080
same time

1878
01:08:44,870 --> 01:08:42,880
that

1879
01:08:46,550 --> 01:08:44,880
um the

1880
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:46,560
the door opened

1881
01:08:49,349 --> 01:08:48,000
you talked about that story i don't know

1882
01:08:51,110 --> 01:08:49,359
if you want to talk about that story or

1883
01:08:52,789 --> 01:08:51,120
not like you went and you looked in the

1884
01:08:54,390 --> 01:08:52,799
attic door was open

1885
01:08:55,990 --> 01:08:54,400
well that's a very different event that

1886
01:08:58,390 --> 01:08:56,000
was um

1887
01:09:00,070 --> 01:08:58,400
this see this now we're talking about uh

1888
01:09:02,070 --> 01:09:00,080
familial things

1889
01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:02,080
right where you have families involved

1890
01:09:05,829 --> 01:09:03,440
yeah so you really want to talk about

1891
01:09:07,430 --> 01:09:05,839
that yeah that's that's a weird one okay

1892
01:09:10,149 --> 01:09:07,440
it was two in the morning and i woke up

1893
01:09:12,070 --> 01:09:10,159
because i heard little feet in my attic

1894
01:09:13,430 --> 01:09:12,080
it sounded like my youngest son walking

1895
01:09:14,390 --> 01:09:13,440
around in the attic

1896
01:09:16,470 --> 01:09:14,400
okay

1897
01:09:18,789 --> 01:09:16,480
and you could follow with your ears you

1898
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:18,799
could follow the sound across the attic

1899
01:09:21,590 --> 01:09:20,400
floor and then you can hear the grinding

1900
01:09:23,110 --> 01:09:21,600
as you turn the ball of his foot and

1901
01:09:24,630 --> 01:09:23,120
went a different direction and he's

1902
01:09:27,110 --> 01:09:24,640
moving around like little pitter patter

1903
01:09:31,749 --> 01:09:27,120
it wasn't like

1904
01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:35,669
you could actually feel it hear it okay

1905
01:09:38,550 --> 01:09:36,960
so

1906
01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:38,560
i said what are my kids doing in the

1907
01:09:41,990 --> 01:09:40,719
attic so i went into their room turned

1908
01:09:43,590 --> 01:09:42,000
on their light

1909
01:09:45,189 --> 01:09:43,600
ready to find out that one of my kids

1910
01:09:47,269 --> 01:09:45,199
was up in the attic

1911
01:09:48,789 --> 01:09:47,279
which is hard to get to by the way

1912
01:09:50,149 --> 01:09:48,799
and they were both asleep

1913
01:09:53,510 --> 01:09:50,159
uh oh

1914
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:53,520
there's somebody in my attic this is a a

1915
01:09:57,590 --> 01:09:55,600
a carriage house

1916
01:09:59,030 --> 01:09:57,600
style house that that would constitute

1917
01:10:00,870 --> 01:09:59,040
the the uh

1918
01:10:03,189 --> 01:10:00,880
one two three fourth floor

1919
01:10:05,189 --> 01:10:03,199
okay up in the attic and to get there

1920
01:10:08,390 --> 01:10:05,199
you got to climb a steep ladder take a

1921
01:10:10,229 --> 01:10:08,400
giant heavy wood door off to go into

1922
01:10:11,990 --> 01:10:10,239
this space which you you know put your

1923
01:10:13,830 --> 01:10:12,000
head you know stand up in

1924
01:10:15,510 --> 01:10:13,840
so i immediately called the police

1925
01:10:17,110 --> 01:10:15,520
and i told them what i'm experiencing

1926
01:10:19,669 --> 01:10:17,120
and they know the kind of work i was

1927
01:10:21,590 --> 01:10:19,679
doing for the navy so as soon as i hung

1928
01:10:22,950 --> 01:10:21,600
up you see blue lights on the horizon

1929
01:10:24,630 --> 01:10:22,960
through the window so they're already

1930
01:10:25,590 --> 01:10:24,640
coming and they i told them silent

1931
01:10:27,430 --> 01:10:25,600
approach

1932
01:10:29,590 --> 01:10:27,440
because i don't know who's up there

1933
01:10:32,149 --> 01:10:29,600
and they got here and it was a male and

1934
01:10:33,510 --> 01:10:32,159
a female police officer and they walked

1935
01:10:35,350 --> 01:10:33,520
in the house

1936
01:10:37,270 --> 01:10:35,360
and i greet them and come upstairs and

1937
01:10:39,270 --> 01:10:37,280
now we're standing in the room looking

1938
01:10:41,030 --> 01:10:39,280
at this ladder going up to the door to

1939
01:10:42,390 --> 01:10:41,040
the attic which is closed

1940
01:10:43,590 --> 01:10:42,400
okay

1941
01:10:45,910 --> 01:10:43,600
and

1942
01:10:48,229 --> 01:10:45,920
the mail officer looks at the female

1943
01:10:49,430 --> 01:10:48,239
officer looks at me and says

1944
01:10:51,750 --> 01:10:49,440
why

1945
01:10:54,390 --> 01:10:51,760
seems okay and i'm like yeah i think

1946
01:10:55,910 --> 01:10:54,400
it's okay and they left

1947
01:10:58,790 --> 01:10:55,920
not one of us decided to go up into the

1948
01:11:01,270 --> 01:10:58,800
attic to investigate the sound

1949
01:11:03,189 --> 01:11:01,280
and that made no sense to me right

1950
01:11:04,390 --> 01:11:03,199
now the following morning

1951
01:11:06,149 --> 01:11:04,400
i get up

1952
01:11:07,990 --> 01:11:06,159
and i'm hearing noise up there again i

1953
01:11:09,830 --> 01:11:08,000
go what is going on i go around the

1954
01:11:12,070 --> 01:11:09,840
corner i see that my youngest son is not

1955
01:11:12,870 --> 01:11:12,080
in his bed i go around the corner to the

1956
01:11:15,669 --> 01:11:12,880
room

1957
01:11:18,149 --> 01:11:15,679
i look up the stairs the door is open

1958
01:11:19,830 --> 01:11:18,159
i run up there and he's on the floor

1959
01:11:21,189 --> 01:11:19,840
sitting there

1960
01:11:24,550 --> 01:11:21,199
i go hunter what are you doing in here

1961
01:11:29,189 --> 01:11:27,430
and i was like whoa no so i

1962
01:11:32,070 --> 01:11:29,199
what so there's

1963
01:11:34,709 --> 01:11:32,080
and that's that's the son who said that

1964
01:11:36,870 --> 01:11:34,719
um he had a weird account that's why he

1965
01:11:38,310 --> 01:11:36,880
was sleeping in the bed in our there's

1966
01:11:41,189 --> 01:11:38,320
no way that he could have lifted that

1967
01:11:44,950 --> 01:11:42,550
that's the thing i think he could have

1968
01:11:46,550 --> 01:11:44,960
but but i don't know that he knows why

1969
01:11:47,750 --> 01:11:46,560
he went there

1970
01:11:49,590 --> 01:11:47,760
you know and he won't talk about it by

1971
01:11:50,470 --> 01:11:49,600
the way he's 23 now he won't talk about

1972
01:11:52,870 --> 01:11:50,480
this

1973
01:11:55,350 --> 01:11:52,880
you know so and so that

1974
01:11:59,030 --> 01:11:55,360
it follows family around i think

1975
01:12:00,630 --> 01:11:59,040
you know but uh i i respect his

1976
01:12:01,910 --> 01:12:00,640
privacy and not telling other stories

1977
01:12:03,270 --> 01:12:01,920
that happened to him because that's just

1978
01:12:05,590 --> 01:12:03,280
really

1979
01:12:07,750 --> 01:12:05,600
crazy you know it's when you have such

1980
01:12:09,990 --> 01:12:07,760
detailed

1981
01:12:12,310 --> 01:12:10,000
most amazing stories i've ever heard

1982
01:12:13,590 --> 01:12:12,320
where most of us have had ufo sightings

1983
01:12:15,110 --> 01:12:13,600
and the weird thing about them is that

1984
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:15,120
they're just so quick

1985
01:12:18,470 --> 01:12:17,040
right they're like this that you almost

1986
01:12:20,149 --> 01:12:18,480
doubt like

1987
01:12:21,990 --> 01:12:20,159
what was that because i've had weird

1988
01:12:22,950 --> 01:12:22,000
i've had a sighting that literally

1989
01:12:25,590 --> 01:12:22,960
lasted

1990
01:12:27,430 --> 01:12:25,600
probably one and a half seconds yeah

1991
01:12:29,430 --> 01:12:27,440
in the daylight going down the street

1992
01:12:31,430 --> 01:12:29,440
and then all of a sudden i saw something

1993
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:31,440
falling out of the side like it looked

1994
01:12:35,270 --> 01:12:32,640
exactly like

1995
01:12:37,430 --> 01:12:35,280
a disc a shiny disc going like that you

1996
01:12:39,669 --> 01:12:37,440
know how it would go end over and

1997
01:12:41,270 --> 01:12:39,679
like and and i thought it was going to

1998
01:12:43,189 --> 01:12:41,280
crash i mean it was

1999
01:12:44,870 --> 01:12:43,199
not that far and it was like a whole you

2000
01:12:47,189 --> 01:12:44,880
know row or the street was full of

2001
01:12:48,709 --> 01:12:47,199
traffic and i was like i saw it oh my

2002
01:12:50,790 --> 01:12:48,719
god and then i thought it was a crash

2003
01:12:51,910 --> 01:12:50,800
and then it it was gone

2004
01:12:54,470 --> 01:12:51,920
it was like you could see it for about

2005
01:12:56,229 --> 01:12:54,480
three rotations and nothing well yes and

2006
01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:56,239
it was so quick and i'm looking around

2007
01:12:59,030 --> 01:12:57,600
at the other cars to see if anyone else

2008
01:13:00,390 --> 01:12:59,040
was looking it doesn't seem like anyone

2009
01:13:03,350 --> 01:13:00,400
did but

2010
01:13:04,950 --> 01:13:03,360
things happen like that but

2011
01:13:06,070 --> 01:13:04,960
see that's the thing though see that's a

2012
01:13:08,070 --> 01:13:06,080
quick thing

2013
01:13:10,229 --> 01:13:08,080
if something is distended and drawn out

2014
01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:10,239
you tend to remember oh yeah and if you

2015
01:13:14,950 --> 01:13:12,480
if you're already a good observer like i

2016
01:13:16,870 --> 01:13:14,960
was always a good observer always

2017
01:13:18,390 --> 01:13:16,880
situationally aware i always knew what's

2018
01:13:19,510 --> 01:13:18,400
going on around me and we call it social

2019
01:13:21,030 --> 01:13:19,520
radar

2020
01:13:22,149 --> 01:13:21,040
maybe that comes from martial arts

2021
01:13:23,910 --> 01:13:22,159
background i don't know what you want to

2022
01:13:26,630 --> 01:13:23,920
call it but it does come from having

2023
01:13:28,390 --> 01:13:26,640
some kind of awareness at all times

2024
01:13:29,669 --> 01:13:28,400
so i was always a good observer that way

2025
01:13:30,870 --> 01:13:29,679
and i think that's very important

2026
01:13:33,110 --> 01:13:30,880
everybody should be

2027
01:13:34,950 --> 01:13:33,120
you know but if it was quick i think i

2028
01:13:37,270 --> 01:13:34,960
would have said the same observation as

2029
01:13:39,350 --> 01:13:37,280
you and i just recently remembered a ufo

2030
01:13:41,030 --> 01:13:39,360
signing that's just so

2031
01:13:43,430 --> 01:13:41,040
mundane that you don't even think about

2032
01:13:47,110 --> 01:13:43,440
it as yoga it was like in the

2033
01:13:49,510 --> 01:13:47,120
fifth grade we on the playground and

2034
01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:49,520
there's a ufo there's ufo and so we were

2035
01:13:52,790 --> 01:13:51,120
all trying to see it it was just like i

2036
01:13:54,229 --> 01:13:52,800
would probably call it a cigar shape it

2037
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:54,239
was a dark

2038
01:13:57,910 --> 01:13:56,400
elongated object in the sky we were all

2039
01:13:59,750 --> 01:13:57,920
just looking it was just sitting there

2040
01:14:01,990 --> 01:13:59,760
far away but you could see it and you

2041
01:14:04,149 --> 01:14:02,000
know normally there's not anything dark

2042
01:14:06,149 --> 01:14:04,159
in the sky you can see in the day and

2043
01:14:07,669 --> 01:14:06,159
then we just i just kept remember going

2044
01:14:08,950 --> 01:14:07,679
after school looking at it and it's

2045
01:14:11,189 --> 01:14:08,960
still there

2046
01:14:13,110 --> 01:14:11,199
and it was and then

2047
01:14:15,110 --> 01:14:13,120
that was it you know next day it wasn't

2048
01:14:15,990 --> 01:14:15,120
there and we all kind of talked about it

2049
01:14:17,430 --> 01:14:16,000
but

2050
01:14:19,590 --> 01:14:17,440
just weird little

2051
01:14:22,149 --> 01:14:19,600
things that you can forget because

2052
01:14:22,870 --> 01:14:22,159
it wasn't um you know an amazing thing

2053
01:14:24,310 --> 01:14:22,880
but

2054
01:14:25,830 --> 01:14:24,320
i mean that just came to me not that

2055
01:14:28,070 --> 01:14:25,840
long ago wow

2056
01:14:29,830 --> 01:14:28,080
let's see at a playground a bit just a

2057
01:14:31,350 --> 01:14:29,840
dark object and i was like well i don't

2058
01:14:34,310 --> 01:14:31,360
know that

2059
01:14:36,950 --> 01:14:34,320
not much to it but

2060
01:14:39,110 --> 01:14:36,960
that was in uh

2061
01:14:40,310 --> 01:14:39,120
and what year was this thing i don't

2062
01:14:43,110 --> 01:14:40,320
know uh

2063
01:14:44,470 --> 01:14:43,120
fifth grade

2064
01:14:46,950 --> 01:14:44,480
interesting

2065
01:14:49,030 --> 01:14:46,960
you're asking her what her age is

2066
01:14:50,709 --> 01:14:49,040
i don't like telling my age

2067
01:14:53,350 --> 01:14:50,719
i can't do math

2068
01:14:54,630 --> 01:14:53,360
but i don't know 4063 so

2069
01:15:01,910 --> 01:14:54,640
how old are you in

2070
01:15:07,510 --> 01:15:03,590
see that's funny just like did you

2071
01:15:11,189 --> 01:15:08,950
i didn't know this is the funny thing i

2072
01:15:13,590 --> 01:15:11,199
did not know they would move on or they

2073
01:15:16,709 --> 01:15:13,600
would move on of course any ufo group

2074
01:15:17,669 --> 01:15:16,719
sure until 2011 and i didn't know it was

2075
01:15:20,709 --> 01:15:17,679
groups i didn't know there was

2076
01:15:22,390 --> 01:15:20,719
conferences yeah yeah

2077
01:15:24,550 --> 01:15:22,400
i joined

2078
01:15:27,830 --> 01:15:24,560
two years after it was founded in 1971

2079
01:15:29,350 --> 01:15:27,840
that's so crazy i was 11 years old 11.

2080
01:15:30,790 --> 01:15:29,360
i mean back then there's no internet you

2081
01:15:32,390 --> 01:15:30,800
would have to like go to a store i went

2082
01:15:33,990 --> 01:15:32,400
through a store i saw a little in the

2083
01:15:35,669 --> 01:15:34,000
back of the magazine

2084
01:15:37,590 --> 01:15:35,679
not that it was actually a little a

2085
01:15:40,310 --> 01:15:37,600
little little thing on the wall that

2086
01:15:41,270 --> 01:15:40,320
said join mufon today with midwest ufo

2087
01:15:43,510 --> 01:15:41,280
group

2088
01:15:45,750 --> 01:15:43,520
okay it wasn't mutual ufo network it was

2089
01:15:48,390 --> 01:15:45,760
midwest ufo network or something have

2090
01:15:50,390 --> 01:15:48,400
you paid all your dues no no

2091
01:15:53,270 --> 01:15:50,400
well i did have my field investigator

2092
01:15:55,430 --> 01:15:53,280
badge not from when i was 11 years old i

2093
01:15:57,430 --> 01:15:55,440
carried my wallet every single new

2094
01:15:59,590 --> 01:15:57,440
wallet it would transfer it and i

2095
01:16:01,669 --> 01:15:59,600
dropped that wallet in the water about

2096
01:16:03,830 --> 01:16:01,679
six years ago seven years ago

2097
01:16:06,070 --> 01:16:03,840
and when i pulled it out i said oh good

2098
01:16:07,750 --> 01:16:06,080
the move fun my move on idea is still in

2099
01:16:09,189 --> 01:16:07,760
i could care less about the money that's

2100
01:16:11,750 --> 01:16:09,199
all wet now everything but that was

2101
01:16:13,510 --> 01:16:11,760
there so i just made sure that the money

2102
01:16:15,430 --> 01:16:13,520
dried out and i didn't do anything with

2103
01:16:16,709 --> 01:16:15,440
that when i looked in that transparent

2104
01:16:18,550 --> 01:16:16,719
little pouch

2105
01:16:21,669 --> 01:16:18,560
it had long since dissolved and all that

2106
01:16:24,790 --> 01:16:21,679
was was an imprint on the plastic of my

2107
01:16:27,270 --> 01:16:24,800
ideas oh no it's gone it's been gone for

2108
01:16:29,189 --> 01:16:27,280
years you know you mentioned that see

2109
01:16:31,430 --> 01:16:29,199
that thing in fifth grade

2110
01:16:33,990 --> 01:16:31,440
i think kids have these these things too

2111
01:16:36,310 --> 01:16:34,000
i i was in sixth grade and we were going

2112
01:16:38,950 --> 01:16:36,320
on a field trip to a pond

2113
01:16:41,030 --> 01:16:38,960
you might know the story and and

2114
01:16:42,390 --> 01:16:41,040
i didn't know what missing time was

2115
01:16:44,149 --> 01:16:42,400
until

2116
01:16:45,189 --> 01:16:44,159
it happened to me

2117
01:16:47,270 --> 01:16:45,199
i remember

2118
01:16:49,189 --> 01:16:47,280
i've said this before i got on the bus

2119
01:16:51,270 --> 01:16:49,199
with my little bag lunch my little

2120
01:16:52,870 --> 01:16:51,280
shorts it was it was like june

2121
01:16:54,950 --> 01:16:52,880
i was holding like this

2122
01:16:56,709 --> 01:16:54,960
all excited getting the bus you know

2123
01:16:59,350 --> 01:16:56,719
making little sounds with your you know

2124
01:17:01,590 --> 01:16:59,360
cheeks and the vinyl cte you know and

2125
01:17:04,149 --> 01:17:01,600
then i remember getting off the bus at

2126
01:17:05,270 --> 01:17:04,159
the at the pond where we're going

2127
01:17:07,030 --> 01:17:05,280
and then all of a sudden i remember

2128
01:17:09,189 --> 01:17:07,040
getting on the bus again with my lunch

2129
01:17:11,430 --> 01:17:09,199
still in my hand not eaten

2130
01:17:12,630 --> 01:17:11,440
and i remember asking why are we going

2131
01:17:14,709 --> 01:17:12,640
back

2132
01:17:16,550 --> 01:17:14,719
and when are we going to go to the pond

2133
01:17:18,950 --> 01:17:16,560
and they were saying you idiot because

2134
01:17:21,189 --> 01:17:18,960
kids are so you know nice to you

2135
01:17:23,750 --> 01:17:21,199
you idiot we've been here all day

2136
01:17:25,189 --> 01:17:23,760
you're stupid you know you dumb ass

2137
01:17:27,189 --> 01:17:25,199
don't worry about the words that's hard

2138
01:17:28,310 --> 01:17:27,199
but anyway

2139
01:17:30,390 --> 01:17:28,320
um so

2140
01:17:31,270 --> 01:17:30,400
i i i didn't know what was wrong i

2141
01:17:32,630 --> 01:17:31,280
thought

2142
01:17:34,310 --> 01:17:32,640
how did i miss it

2143
01:17:35,669 --> 01:17:34,320
well anyway i got home you know kids

2144
01:17:37,510 --> 01:17:35,679
they just pass it off i'm gonna just

2145
01:17:39,510 --> 01:17:37,520
play now so i'm playing out in the empty

2146
01:17:40,790 --> 01:17:39,520
lot next to my house and i remember

2147
01:17:41,990 --> 01:17:40,800
feeling

2148
01:17:44,550 --> 01:17:42,000
weird

2149
01:17:47,110 --> 01:17:44,560
and i remember falling to the ground

2150
01:17:49,110 --> 01:17:47,120
and i remember having seizures and

2151
01:17:50,709 --> 01:17:49,120
convulsions i remember my body

2152
01:17:52,950 --> 01:17:50,719
unconsciously going into these

2153
01:17:55,350 --> 01:17:52,960
contortions that i couldn't control

2154
01:17:57,830 --> 01:17:55,360
and remember distinctly

2155
01:18:00,709 --> 01:17:57,840
whacking my head on the sand and feeling

2156
01:18:03,030 --> 01:18:00,719
the sand grind against my forehead and

2157
01:18:04,470 --> 01:18:03,040
seeing little red ants moving around and

2158
01:18:06,950 --> 01:18:04,480
while this is all happening all i'm

2159
01:18:08,630 --> 01:18:06,960
thinking is oh cool ants

2160
01:18:09,830 --> 01:18:08,640
i'm not thinking anything about my

2161
01:18:11,189 --> 01:18:09,840
well-being

2162
01:18:12,790 --> 01:18:11,199
right so

2163
01:18:14,390 --> 01:18:12,800
obviously they call the ambulance i go

2164
01:18:16,070 --> 01:18:14,400
to the hospital in the ambulance and

2165
01:18:18,149 --> 01:18:16,080
while in the ambulance i say to the to

2166
01:18:20,390 --> 01:18:18,159
the guys which was actually a police car

2167
01:18:22,229 --> 01:18:20,400
station wagon back then with a gumball

2168
01:18:25,110 --> 01:18:22,239
on top okay

2169
01:18:27,110 --> 01:18:25,120
um i said can you run the siren how old

2170
01:18:27,990 --> 01:18:27,120
are you i was i was like nine just

2171
01:18:30,229 --> 01:18:28,000
kidding

2172
01:18:33,669 --> 01:18:30,239
i was nine then yeah you know what i am

2173
01:18:35,590 --> 01:18:33,679
i'm sixteen sixteen sixty one

2174
01:18:37,110 --> 01:18:35,600
yeah i'm just using yeah that's right so

2175
01:18:39,030 --> 01:18:37,120
anyway so i get in the hospital and

2176
01:18:41,510 --> 01:18:39,040
doctors see this big lump on my forehead

2177
01:18:44,630 --> 01:18:41,520
and they say oh did you fall i said yeah

2178
01:18:46,550 --> 01:18:44,640
i fell on the dock at the pond

2179
01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:46,560
you know there's no dots at the pond to

2180
01:18:49,750 --> 01:18:48,400
this day but i was lying cause i'm gonna

2181
01:18:52,149 --> 01:18:49,760
get the heck out of there

2182
01:18:54,229 --> 01:18:52,159
you know so they said the doctor said oh

2183
01:18:57,030 --> 01:18:54,239
my parents he just had a concussion just

2184
01:18:59,110 --> 01:18:57,040
take him home let him rest he'll be okay

2185
01:19:00,950 --> 01:18:59,120
so all i did was just wipe out the sand

2186
01:19:02,709 --> 01:19:00,960
that was still embedded in my forehead

2187
01:19:05,350 --> 01:19:02,719
and they brought me home and my mother's

2188
01:19:07,189 --> 01:19:05,360
like wow you're gonna have to rest now

2189
01:19:09,189 --> 01:19:07,199
all right i'm like all right that's that

2190
01:19:10,790 --> 01:19:09,199
was a better way out than you know

2191
01:19:12,229 --> 01:19:10,800
whatever else could have waited for me i

2192
01:19:14,470 --> 01:19:12,239
didn't know what i was going to get for

2193
01:19:17,270 --> 01:19:14,480
so anyway that that that was a a strange

2194
01:19:19,350 --> 01:19:17,280
event and i remember that because it was

2195
01:19:21,110 --> 01:19:19,360
a long it was a distended

2196
01:19:23,110 --> 01:19:21,120
extended period of time or what's this

2197
01:19:24,709 --> 01:19:23,120
happened you know

2198
01:19:25,990 --> 01:19:24,719
so

2199
01:19:28,149 --> 01:19:26,000
you know again you got to be a good

2200
01:19:30,229 --> 01:19:28,159
observer right yeah remember

2201
01:19:32,149 --> 01:19:30,239
definitely they've targeted you mark

2202
01:19:34,229 --> 01:19:32,159
that at all there's no doubt

2203
01:19:35,350 --> 01:19:34,239
um i just remem i know i think i just

2204
01:19:37,669 --> 01:19:35,360
remember

2205
01:19:40,390 --> 01:19:37,679
things that maybe other people don't

2206
01:19:42,229 --> 01:19:40,400
remember uh maybe i i remember things

2207
01:19:43,910 --> 01:19:42,239
differently

2208
01:19:46,070 --> 01:19:43,920
i don't think most people had aliens

2209
01:19:49,030 --> 01:19:46,080
don't forget yeah

2210
01:19:51,910 --> 01:19:49,040
maybe you have maybe yeah maybe does

2211
01:19:53,750 --> 01:19:51,920
anyone else have had experiences or

2212
01:19:55,189 --> 01:19:53,760
experience you want to talk about

2213
01:19:58,950 --> 01:19:55,199
at this point

2214
01:20:00,070 --> 01:19:58,960
you saw some amazing aircraft over the

2215
01:20:03,590 --> 01:20:00,080
right below

2216
01:20:05,110 --> 01:20:03,600
the rim here in arizona right i did

2217
01:20:06,950 --> 01:20:05,120
it was before i knew anything about

2218
01:20:09,350 --> 01:20:06,960
mufon or anything i i was taking

2219
01:20:10,950 --> 01:20:09,360
pictures off the rim and

2220
01:20:12,629 --> 01:20:10,960
if anybody's ever been on the moving

2221
01:20:15,830 --> 01:20:12,639
room in arizona it's just beautiful you

2222
01:20:18,310 --> 01:20:15,840
just you're way above um the landscape

2223
01:20:20,310 --> 01:20:18,320
and you just have these fast fast

2224
01:20:21,990 --> 01:20:20,320
mountains that just go forever

2225
01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:22,000
it's just beautiful and so

2226
01:20:25,750 --> 01:20:24,480
i had just gone in we have a cabin up

2227
01:20:27,430 --> 01:20:25,760
there and we always stop at these

2228
01:20:28,790 --> 01:20:27,440
lookout points because it's just so

2229
01:20:30,629 --> 01:20:28,800
beautiful and

2230
01:20:32,709 --> 01:20:30,639
but i take millions of pictures and i

2231
01:20:34,950 --> 01:20:32,719
have taken some pictures and i just did

2232
01:20:37,270 --> 01:20:34,960
a snap one direction one in the center

2233
01:20:39,430 --> 01:20:37,280
and one on the side and

2234
01:20:41,669 --> 01:20:39,440
later when i looked back

2235
01:20:44,550 --> 01:20:41,679
at those pictures which i don't have

2236
01:20:46,390 --> 01:20:44,560
anymore of course but

2237
01:20:49,110 --> 01:20:46,400
i saw the first picture

2238
01:20:51,350 --> 01:20:49,120
way way to way out it's in the air off

2239
01:20:54,950 --> 01:20:51,360
the rim way to the left side a little

2240
01:20:57,189 --> 01:20:54,960
tiny ball and you can see a reflection

2241
01:21:00,470 --> 01:20:57,199
and in the second picture right in front

2242
01:21:02,470 --> 01:21:00,480
of me off the rim probably maybe 30 feet

2243
01:21:04,310 --> 01:21:02,480
was this ball i would estimate to be

2244
01:21:06,070 --> 01:21:04,320
about as big as a basketball or so but

2245
01:21:07,590 --> 01:21:06,080
it was metallic

2246
01:21:09,910 --> 01:21:07,600
and

2247
01:21:11,189 --> 01:21:09,920
it had like a i would say battleship

2248
01:21:13,669 --> 01:21:11,199
gray color

2249
01:21:15,110 --> 01:21:13,679
but there were um

2250
01:21:18,149 --> 01:21:15,120
you could tell it was it was

2251
01:21:20,070 --> 01:21:18,159
manufactured somehow because there were

2252
01:21:21,270 --> 01:21:20,080
hold just one second

2253
01:21:23,110 --> 01:21:21,280
will be

2254
01:21:26,070 --> 01:21:23,120
you know exactly all right

2255
01:21:28,790 --> 01:21:26,080
sorry about that everyone we are back

2256
01:21:30,550 --> 01:21:28,800
and uh thank you for your patience bill

2257
01:21:32,229 --> 01:21:30,560
i'm not sure if you uh

2258
01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:32,239
jumped in or not but thank you everyone

2259
01:21:39,110 --> 01:21:34,400
for your patience uh we just had a

2260
01:21:42,629 --> 01:21:40,629
it would have been neat if we were all

2261
01:21:43,830 --> 01:21:42,639
disheveled their hair was monitored

2262
01:21:48,629 --> 01:21:43,840
they're all screwed up again what

2263
01:21:55,350 --> 01:21:50,709
who stuck something in my ear

2264
01:22:00,470 --> 01:21:58,390
so we we are back thank you so much for

2265
01:22:02,790 --> 01:22:00,480
your patience again everyone and i think

2266
01:22:04,629 --> 01:22:02,800
what i'm going to do um

2267
01:22:05,750 --> 01:22:04,639
throwing her in the story too

2268
01:22:07,910 --> 01:22:05,760
oh okay

2269
01:22:09,990 --> 01:22:07,920
all right yeah no that's what i want to

2270
01:22:12,390 --> 01:22:10,000
know uh you were in the middle of your

2271
01:22:15,030 --> 01:22:12,400
story do you want to cap that off

2272
01:22:17,510 --> 01:22:15,040
absolutely it was just a big look like a

2273
01:22:20,709 --> 01:22:17,520
metallic ball that i saw hovering off of

2274
01:22:22,430 --> 01:22:20,719
the mowgun room in arizona and

2275
01:22:24,390 --> 01:22:22,440
i can't explain it as a field

2276
01:22:25,590 --> 01:22:24,400
investigator i have no idea what i

2277
01:22:27,510 --> 01:22:25,600
wanted

2278
01:22:29,270 --> 01:22:27,520
but you didn't see it at the time i did

2279
01:22:31,430 --> 01:22:29,280
not see it it was in my pictures when i

2280
01:22:33,189 --> 01:22:31,440
looked back that's my common response i

2281
01:22:35,750 --> 01:22:33,199
didn't see it at the time and it was big

2282
01:22:36,790 --> 01:22:35,760
enough for me to have seen

2283
01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:36,800
so

2284
01:22:40,550 --> 01:22:38,400
unless it was moving through

2285
01:22:43,110 --> 01:22:40,560
shane had something that was uh out

2286
01:22:45,110 --> 01:22:43,120
there in the overlook over jerome it was

2287
01:22:46,870 --> 01:22:45,120
only in five frames and they're one

2288
01:22:49,270 --> 01:22:46,880
thirtieth of a second

2289
01:22:51,270 --> 01:22:49,280
and uh that thing was crystal clear and

2290
01:22:52,790 --> 01:22:51,280
then i'd uh when i was doing the move on

2291
01:22:55,030 --> 01:22:52,800
booth and pine top one of the indian

2292
01:22:56,550 --> 01:22:55,040
girls came over to me she said i saw

2293
01:22:58,390 --> 01:22:56,560
something over by seven mile mountain

2294
01:22:59,990 --> 01:22:58,400
but it was so quick she goes i'm not

2295
01:23:02,790 --> 01:23:00,000
sure if i saw it or not

2296
01:23:04,870 --> 01:23:02,800
and so i i don't know if that's uncommon

2297
01:23:08,629 --> 01:23:04,880
that's uh you start me i start you know

2298
01:23:09,830 --> 01:23:08,639
you try to listen when people talk so

2299
01:23:10,790 --> 01:23:09,840
what you got something you were saying

2300
01:23:12,950 --> 01:23:10,800
before

2301
01:23:14,229 --> 01:23:12,960
yeah i don't really see crap so much

2302
01:23:16,390 --> 01:23:14,239
we're just saying something living in

2303
01:23:18,470 --> 01:23:16,400
tucson there's a lot of activity there

2304
01:23:21,510 --> 01:23:18,480
but this particular one of many

2305
01:23:23,189 --> 01:23:21,520
experience happened june 29th 2016. i

2306
01:23:24,550 --> 01:23:23,199
work in the oil industry

2307
01:23:26,709 --> 01:23:24,560
and i work for a contractor that goes

2308
01:23:28,709 --> 01:23:26,719
through finance repairs and to get them

2309
01:23:30,709 --> 01:23:28,719
to epa standards so i get sent out to

2310
01:23:33,270 --> 01:23:30,719
the middle of nowhere this trip was from

2311
01:23:35,270 --> 01:23:33,280
i was leaving tucson to go to rollins

2312
01:23:38,070 --> 01:23:35,280
wyoming and there was a famous abduction

2313
01:23:39,430 --> 01:23:38,080
there by a hunter i think in 1974 i

2314
01:23:41,110 --> 01:23:39,440
can't remember the fella's name but that

2315
01:23:43,270 --> 01:23:41,120
was an interesting story

2316
01:23:45,110 --> 01:23:43,280
so i leave at night and i stopped in

2317
01:23:46,470 --> 01:23:45,120
truth or consequences new mexico which

2318
01:23:47,590 --> 01:23:46,480
is four and a half hours away from

2319
01:23:49,750 --> 01:23:47,600
tucson

2320
01:23:51,830 --> 01:23:49,760
uh creepy name anyway right yeah very

2321
01:23:53,750 --> 01:23:51,840
creepy i always love that yeah

2322
01:23:56,390 --> 01:23:53,760
so i'm always listening to my music i'm

2323
01:23:57,830 --> 01:23:56,400
always by myself and i get lost i'm not

2324
01:24:00,149 --> 01:23:57,840
paying attention you know but i knew i

2325
01:24:01,990 --> 01:24:00,159
need to pull over get fuel so i exit

2326
01:24:05,350 --> 01:24:02,000
and also this is important um i didn't

2327
01:24:07,990 --> 01:24:05,360
get a regular phone like normal people

2328
01:24:10,790 --> 01:24:08,000
until 2018 i had a flip phone at the

2329
01:24:13,350 --> 01:24:10,800
time and i missed it very much so i

2330
01:24:15,590 --> 01:24:13,360
still use regular maps i didn't have any

2331
01:24:17,669 --> 01:24:15,600
internet nothing i had a regular map and

2332
01:24:19,430 --> 01:24:17,679
also keep a compass just a regular basic

2333
01:24:21,830 --> 01:24:19,440
compass in my car at all times that's a

2334
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:21,840
tip to everybody that's a good way to to

2335
01:24:25,270 --> 01:24:23,280
see if maybe there's a craft hanging

2336
01:24:28,149 --> 01:24:25,280
around if it starts spinning so always

2337
01:24:29,669 --> 01:24:28,159
just keep encompassing nearby so i go to

2338
01:24:30,470 --> 01:24:29,679
leave i fuel up and then the freeway is

2339
01:24:33,110 --> 01:24:30,480
gone

2340
01:24:34,950 --> 01:24:33,120
okay well maybe i drove down further

2341
01:24:37,830 --> 01:24:34,960
than what i thought so i start driving

2342
01:24:39,669 --> 01:24:37,840
the only road i'm going and going i said

2343
01:24:41,430 --> 01:24:39,679
i didn't go this far off the exit what's

2344
01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:41,440
what's this

2345
01:24:45,030 --> 01:24:42,960
so i just kept going and all of a sudden

2346
01:24:46,310 --> 01:24:45,040
i saw this enormous fare this you know

2347
01:24:47,910 --> 01:24:46,320
those traveling fans with all the bright

2348
01:24:48,870 --> 01:24:47,920
lights like the one we saw that was here

2349
01:24:51,430 --> 01:24:48,880
this weekend

2350
01:24:53,350 --> 01:24:51,440
really pretty what the it's 12 30 at

2351
01:24:55,990 --> 01:24:53,360
night what the heck is this fair doing

2352
01:24:59,510 --> 01:24:56,000
all the rides were moving going nobody

2353
01:25:01,430 --> 01:24:59,520
was there nobody was there it's okay

2354
01:25:03,030 --> 01:25:01,440
said all right well maybe they're just

2355
01:25:05,430 --> 01:25:03,040
running them to get the oil out or

2356
01:25:07,430 --> 01:25:05,440
something excess oil for whatever

2357
01:25:09,750 --> 01:25:07,440
so i wanted to take a picture i had a

2358
01:25:11,510 --> 01:25:09,760
regular camera on the floorboard of the

2359
01:25:13,189 --> 01:25:11,520
passenger side and i must have been down

2360
01:25:15,110 --> 01:25:13,199
30 times to try to grab my camera to

2361
01:25:17,590 --> 01:25:15,120
take a picture i couldn't do it couldn't

2362
01:25:20,470 --> 01:25:17,600
do it i got so angry i could not pick

2363
01:25:21,990 --> 01:25:20,480
the camera up so like physically i could

2364
01:25:22,870 --> 01:25:22,000
not pick it up

2365
01:25:25,189 --> 01:25:22,880
back at

2366
01:25:26,950 --> 01:25:25,199
30 at least 30 times and i got angry i

2367
01:25:28,390 --> 01:25:26,960
just oh i drove off

2368
01:25:29,669 --> 01:25:28,400
and about a mile later i slammed the

2369
01:25:31,350 --> 01:25:29,679
brakes and i said i'm going to get a

2370
01:25:32,790 --> 01:25:31,360
picture i went back same thing i

2371
01:25:33,590 --> 01:25:32,800
couldn't i couldn't i couldn't pick it

2372
01:25:34,950 --> 01:25:33,600
up

2373
01:25:36,550 --> 01:25:34,960
at all

2374
01:25:38,550 --> 01:25:36,560
i'm still there it was still there but i

2375
01:25:41,350 --> 01:25:38,560
just couldn't my fingers would not wrap

2376
01:25:43,189 --> 01:25:41,360
around the camera to pick it up

2377
01:25:45,030 --> 01:25:43,199
so then i just gave up some driving

2378
01:25:46,950 --> 01:25:45,040
still and then i saw a street to the

2379
01:25:49,030 --> 01:25:46,960
left finally a streak because i looked

2380
01:25:51,030 --> 01:25:49,040
on the map and oh yes i forgot the

2381
01:25:53,110 --> 01:25:51,040
compass was spinning like crazy

2382
01:25:55,990 --> 01:25:53,120
like crazy there's no lights i saw on

2383
01:25:58,629 --> 01:25:56,000
nobody so i took that street to the left

2384
01:25:59,590 --> 01:25:58,639
and then i went to uh a trailer park a

2385
01:26:01,910 --> 01:25:59,600
decent

2386
01:26:03,430 --> 01:26:01,920
kind of trailer park and there were cars

2387
01:26:05,110 --> 01:26:03,440
and all the the

2388
01:26:07,510 --> 01:26:05,120
parking

2389
01:26:09,510 --> 01:26:07,520
garage and then some lights were on i

2390
01:26:12,070 --> 01:26:09,520
got lost in that uh trailer park for two

2391
01:26:13,750 --> 01:26:12,080
and a half hours two and a half hours i

2392
01:26:15,510 --> 01:26:13,760
could not get out of it couldn't i

2393
01:26:17,030 --> 01:26:15,520
couldn't get out of it then i pulled

2394
01:26:19,189 --> 01:26:17,040
over and i realized okay something's not

2395
01:26:22,470 --> 01:26:19,199
quite right here i realized it i wasn't

2396
01:26:24,310 --> 01:26:22,480
afraid but i got really angry like

2397
01:26:26,470 --> 01:26:24,320
red hot anger

2398
01:26:27,990 --> 01:26:26,480
super super angry and uh to the point

2399
01:26:29,590 --> 01:26:28,000
where you just blood red and then you

2400
01:26:30,870 --> 01:26:29,600
get to your period because you're so

2401
01:26:33,510 --> 01:26:30,880
angry

2402
01:26:35,669 --> 01:26:33,520
and then there was the freeway

2403
01:26:37,030 --> 01:26:35,679
and then the rest of the journey

2404
01:26:38,390 --> 01:26:37,040
up to rollins because in the middle of

2405
01:26:40,550 --> 01:26:38,400
the night it just went on and on it

2406
01:26:43,189 --> 01:26:40,560
wouldn't end i didn't see another person

2407
01:26:45,189 --> 01:26:43,199
for 12 hours not not one person

2408
01:26:47,669 --> 01:26:45,199
sounds like a stephen king yeah it was

2409
01:26:49,350 --> 01:26:47,679
it was creepy it was creepy

2410
01:26:52,709 --> 01:26:49,360
did you notice at the time whether

2411
01:26:54,790 --> 01:26:52,719
everything seemed to be in the present

2412
01:26:56,390 --> 01:26:54,800
it was yeah i didn't lose any time or

2413
01:26:59,110 --> 01:26:56,400
anything like that i was aware of all of

2414
01:27:01,030 --> 01:26:59,120
it i couldn't get out there was nowhere

2415
01:27:05,270 --> 01:27:01,040
nowhere to go

2416
01:27:07,030 --> 01:27:05,280
well uh in 2019 at contact in the desert

2417
01:27:08,629 --> 01:27:07,040
i was lucky enough to have a drink with

2418
01:27:09,910 --> 01:27:08,639
whitley strieber so i told him the

2419
01:27:11,990 --> 01:27:09,920
experience and he looked at me with

2420
01:27:14,550 --> 01:27:12,000
these sad eyes and says jennifer it was

2421
01:27:16,149 --> 01:27:14,560
a screen memory the cr the fare was a

2422
01:27:18,550 --> 01:27:16,159
screen memory i

2423
01:27:20,070 --> 01:27:18,560
felt so stupid i said yeah it could

2424
01:27:21,590 --> 01:27:20,080
could have been what it was

2425
01:27:23,110 --> 01:27:21,600
you know it's also sorry for me you

2426
01:27:24,149 --> 01:27:23,120
didn't realize that and you know when

2427
01:27:25,830 --> 01:27:24,159
you're in the middle of it you don't

2428
01:27:26,950 --> 01:27:25,840
realize these things you just don't

2429
01:27:28,629 --> 01:27:26,960
think about it and you know what the

2430
01:27:30,390 --> 01:27:28,639
screen memory is in the two and a half

2431
01:27:31,430 --> 01:27:30,400
hours in the trailer in the trailer park

2432
01:27:32,550 --> 01:27:31,440
i don't know what that was about it

2433
01:27:33,590 --> 01:27:32,560
could have been another screen memory

2434
01:27:36,470 --> 01:27:33,600
could be

2435
01:27:37,910 --> 01:27:36,480
yeah yeah see that's that's something

2436
01:27:39,350 --> 01:27:37,920
i've been wondering whether

2437
01:27:40,870 --> 01:27:39,360
whether that's something that my older

2438
01:27:43,110 --> 01:27:40,880
son experienced too

2439
01:27:45,510 --> 01:27:43,120
because he was with a girl and he was

2440
01:27:47,830 --> 01:27:45,520
driving in his jeep coming back from a

2441
01:27:49,910 --> 01:27:47,840
uh a place where he had they they're out

2442
01:27:51,750 --> 01:27:49,920
somewhere on the way back they come up

2443
01:27:53,270 --> 01:27:51,760
to a roadblock a freeze roadblock state

2444
01:27:56,149 --> 01:27:53,280
police roadblock

2445
01:27:58,629 --> 01:27:56,159
and he noticed that the cars were like

2446
01:28:00,310 --> 01:27:58,639
old cars with the gumball on top instead

2447
01:28:01,830 --> 01:28:00,320
of the light bar but were there a lot of

2448
01:28:03,030 --> 01:28:01,840
lights going on at the same time a lot

2449
01:28:04,470 --> 01:28:03,040
of red and blue lights and you said

2450
01:28:06,229 --> 01:28:04,480
there were fire trucks coming they

2451
01:28:08,470 --> 01:28:06,239
mounted four trucks with a fifth one

2452
01:28:09,590 --> 01:28:08,480
coming and they had these big lights

2453
01:28:11,669 --> 01:28:09,600
looking into the woods and you think it

2454
01:28:13,669 --> 01:28:11,679
was a plane crash or something but the

2455
01:28:14,950 --> 01:28:13,679
trucks look like they were old

2456
01:28:16,149 --> 01:28:14,960
like they should be in a parade it's

2457
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:16,159
kind of like a minute black how they

2458
01:28:19,830 --> 01:28:18,400
just don't really realize kind of dated

2459
01:28:21,830 --> 01:28:19,840
yeah

2460
01:28:23,510 --> 01:28:21,840
maybe people this is a fire truck but

2461
01:28:25,270 --> 01:28:23,520
they don't really know what age it is so

2462
01:28:28,070 --> 01:28:25,280
the state trooper tells them to go down

2463
01:28:30,390 --> 01:28:28,080
this side street okay to avoid what

2464
01:28:32,149 --> 01:28:30,400
whatever it was they wanted to avoid so

2465
01:28:33,669 --> 01:28:32,159
they do and the road's dirt and he's

2466
01:28:35,030 --> 01:28:33,679
like she's a dirt road and he's driving

2467
01:28:35,910 --> 01:28:35,040
down the third road

2468
01:28:38,070 --> 01:28:35,920
okay

2469
01:28:39,910 --> 01:28:38,080
he gets to the end he turns left then he

2470
01:28:41,669 --> 01:28:39,920
takes his next left and then another

2471
01:28:42,709 --> 01:28:41,679
left back onto the same road they run

2472
01:28:44,070 --> 01:28:42,719
originally

2473
01:28:46,149 --> 01:28:44,080
they're like oh no we're going to go by

2474
01:28:47,750 --> 01:28:46,159
this roadblock again well they get to

2475
01:28:49,990 --> 01:28:47,760
exactly that street where the roadblock

2476
01:28:52,149 --> 01:28:50,000
was and there's nothing there

2477
01:28:53,510 --> 01:28:52,159
nothing there the girl who's with him

2478
01:28:55,350 --> 01:28:53,520
started to cry

2479
01:28:57,430 --> 01:28:55,360
because she was now really freaked out

2480
01:28:58,310 --> 01:28:57,440
and my son calls me and says yeah i

2481
01:28:59,990 --> 01:28:58,320
don't know what's going on there's

2482
01:29:01,189 --> 01:29:00,000
something weird that's happened

2483
01:29:03,270 --> 01:29:01,199
he takes her to

2484
01:29:05,110 --> 01:29:03,280
her house the father sits down with him

2485
01:29:06,790 --> 01:29:05,120
it goes into google earth show me where

2486
01:29:07,910 --> 01:29:06,800
you were what happened blah blah and

2487
01:29:09,189 --> 01:29:07,920
they go through the whole thing they

2488
01:29:11,350 --> 01:29:09,199
recounted

2489
01:29:12,629 --> 01:29:11,360
and

2490
01:29:14,229 --> 01:29:12,639
they go back in the history of the

2491
01:29:16,470 --> 01:29:14,239
google earth and that road that they

2492
01:29:17,990 --> 01:29:16,480
turned on that he said was dirt

2493
01:29:19,510 --> 01:29:18,000
as far as google earth's concern was

2494
01:29:22,870 --> 01:29:19,520
always paved

2495
01:29:25,270 --> 01:29:22,880
it was never dirt road not at least in

2496
01:29:27,110 --> 01:29:25,280
the time through which that was so

2497
01:29:29,030 --> 01:29:27,120
it's amazing that

2498
01:29:31,189 --> 01:29:29,040
it's almost like there was some kind of

2499
01:29:34,870 --> 01:29:31,199
time shift they slipped into another

2500
01:29:36,709 --> 01:29:34,880
dimension or it was a screen memory

2501
01:29:37,990 --> 01:29:36,719
i think it is something

2502
01:29:40,070 --> 01:29:38,000
usually

2503
01:29:42,310 --> 01:29:40,080
when craft is involved yeah something

2504
01:29:43,350 --> 01:29:42,320
more malevolent and or

2505
01:29:45,110 --> 01:29:43,360
i mean look

2506
01:29:46,709 --> 01:29:45,120
hey what do we do when we go to study

2507
01:29:48,310 --> 01:29:46,719
elk and yukon

2508
01:29:50,390 --> 01:29:48,320
we hide behind a blind we photograph

2509
01:29:52,870 --> 01:29:50,400
with cameras we shoot them with darts

2510
01:29:54,310 --> 01:29:52,880
right now from the elk's point of view

2511
01:29:56,950 --> 01:29:54,320
what are they going to say

2512
01:29:58,229 --> 01:29:56,960
holy crap mabel like us oh when he falls

2513
01:29:59,910 --> 01:29:58,239
down on the ground next he wakes up with

2514
01:30:01,830 --> 01:29:59,920
this big thing around his neck

2515
01:30:03,110 --> 01:30:01,840
has no idea where it came from

2516
01:30:05,350 --> 01:30:03,120
you know

2517
01:30:07,270 --> 01:30:05,360
so like the radio collar so

2518
01:30:08,870 --> 01:30:07,280
who's to say that we tagging elk in the

2519
01:30:10,629 --> 01:30:08,880
same way isn't what what they're doing

2520
01:30:13,430 --> 01:30:10,639
to us but more advanced it's the

2521
01:30:15,510 --> 01:30:13,440
galactic fishing game yeah right

2522
01:30:17,510 --> 01:30:15,520
right they catch us tag us and monitor

2523
01:30:19,510 --> 01:30:17,520
us that's where the leader can just tag

2524
01:30:21,189 --> 01:30:19,520
us in monitoring we're joining samples

2525
01:30:23,189 --> 01:30:21,199
well we're a giant well i guess a

2526
01:30:24,310 --> 01:30:23,199
fishery would be a human we're a giant

2527
01:30:26,790 --> 01:30:24,320
human right

2528
01:30:29,030 --> 01:30:26,800
you know oh we lost our camera again and

2529
01:30:30,550 --> 01:30:29,040
you know what um i'm not going to panic

2530
01:30:31,750 --> 01:30:30,560
over that right now i'm just going to

2531
01:30:34,310 --> 01:30:31,760
keep going

2532
01:30:36,629 --> 01:30:34,320
and uh you know we're all here so i

2533
01:30:38,470 --> 01:30:36,639
opened up the line if anyone would like

2534
01:30:39,270 --> 01:30:38,480
to call in that number is eight five

2535
01:30:40,790 --> 01:30:39,280
five

2536
01:30:44,070 --> 01:30:40,800
four seven two

2537
01:30:47,030 --> 01:30:44,080
five four eight three

2538
01:30:49,189 --> 01:30:47,040
and uh let's see i'm gonna just continue

2539
01:30:52,149 --> 01:30:49,199
the only thing i can really do here

2540
01:30:54,229 --> 01:30:52,159
is uh open up my

2541
01:30:57,110 --> 01:30:54,239
laptop camera

2542
01:30:58,870 --> 01:30:57,120
uh which i suppose i could do

2543
01:31:00,870 --> 01:30:58,880
and uh

2544
01:31:02,390 --> 01:31:00,880
it's gonna be a little bit tricky well

2545
01:31:03,590 --> 01:31:02,400
yeah why don't you try that that camera

2546
01:31:05,110 --> 01:31:03,600
and see what happens go ahead and plug

2547
01:31:05,910 --> 01:31:05,120
that one in

2548
01:31:07,510 --> 01:31:05,920
or

2549
01:31:09,189 --> 01:31:07,520
go right up tight

2550
01:31:11,669 --> 01:31:09,199
um if you would

2551
01:31:13,350 --> 01:31:11,679
uh remove that extension because i've

2552
01:31:15,669 --> 01:31:13,360
never had any trouble before remove the

2553
01:31:17,990 --> 01:31:15,679
extension just come forward much more

2554
01:31:19,030 --> 01:31:18,000
and plug directly into this usb right

2555
01:31:21,270 --> 01:31:19,040
here

2556
01:31:23,590 --> 01:31:21,280
all right so um while we're doing this

2557
01:31:24,870 --> 01:31:23,600
and try to get the camera up

2558
01:31:26,550 --> 01:31:24,880
um

2559
01:31:30,149 --> 01:31:26,560
does anyone else want to talk about any

2560
01:31:33,189 --> 01:31:31,990
anyone here all right here's the next

2561
01:31:33,990 --> 01:31:33,199
question i was waiting for that to

2562
01:31:35,189 --> 01:31:34,000
happen

2563
01:31:37,669 --> 01:31:35,199
um

2564
01:31:40,310 --> 01:31:37,679
the next question is is uh does anyone

2565
01:31:43,510 --> 01:31:40,320
want to talk about how they had gotten

2566
01:31:46,149 --> 01:31:43,520
an interest in this topic in this ufo

2567
01:31:49,270 --> 01:31:46,159
topic what what caused them

2568
01:31:50,550 --> 01:31:49,280
i would love to all right

2569
01:31:53,910 --> 01:31:50,560
um

2570
01:31:57,750 --> 01:31:53,920
back in 2014 my late husband

2571
01:32:00,229 --> 01:31:57,760
went to his first ever international ufo

2572
01:32:01,830 --> 01:32:00,239
congress that was held in scottsdale at

2573
01:32:04,229 --> 01:32:01,840
the week apart

2574
01:32:06,390 --> 01:32:04,239
and he called me i was on duty and he

2575
01:32:08,229 --> 01:32:06,400
called me and said can i go to this i

2576
01:32:09,590 --> 01:32:08,239
says hey knock yourself out have a great

2577
01:32:10,870 --> 01:32:09,600
time

2578
01:32:12,790 --> 01:32:10,880
i was never

2579
01:32:15,910 --> 01:32:12,800
someone that wanted to i've never

2580
01:32:18,550 --> 01:32:15,920
watched ufo movies yes i've never seen

2581
01:32:21,189 --> 01:32:18,560
star wars or you know star trek movie

2582
01:32:22,470 --> 01:32:21,199
i'm sorry folks i apologize don't yell

2583
01:32:25,350 --> 01:32:22,480
at me

2584
01:32:28,310 --> 01:32:25,360
but i told my husband have a great time

2585
01:32:30,310 --> 01:32:28,320
yes do i believe that there are other

2586
01:32:32,550 --> 01:32:30,320
universes there's other people out there

2587
01:32:34,709 --> 01:32:32,560
there's other civilizations yes you have

2588
01:32:38,950 --> 01:32:34,719
to be pretty darn with all due respect

2589
01:32:41,189 --> 01:32:38,960
stupid not to think that there's other

2590
01:32:42,229 --> 01:32:41,199
worlds out there we're not the only ones

2591
01:32:46,310 --> 01:32:42,239
so

2592
01:32:50,070 --> 01:32:46,320
um fast forward a few months later um

2593
01:32:51,510 --> 01:32:50,080
my husband uh found mufon and spoke to

2594
01:32:53,350 --> 01:32:51,520
stacy wright

2595
01:32:55,350 --> 01:32:53,360
and for the phoenix move fund and he

2596
01:32:57,110 --> 01:32:55,360
started going to meetings

2597
01:32:58,950 --> 01:32:57,120
he invited me to go to one of the

2598
01:33:01,430 --> 01:32:58,960
meetings with him he says please just

2599
01:33:04,070 --> 01:33:01,440
come just see what i am

2600
01:33:06,149 --> 01:33:04,080
part of i said okay fine whatever

2601
01:33:07,750 --> 01:33:06,159
all right i'll be honest i was expecting

2602
01:33:10,229 --> 01:33:07,760
tinfoil hats

2603
01:33:11,830 --> 01:33:10,239
i was expecting some weird people i'm a

2604
01:33:14,310 --> 01:33:11,840
cop i'm used to

2605
01:33:16,390 --> 01:33:14,320
you know when it comes to ufos

2606
01:33:18,070 --> 01:33:16,400
it's kind of a weird thing you know you

2607
01:33:19,750 --> 01:33:18,080
don't expect

2608
01:33:21,350 --> 01:33:19,760
wonderful people so i went to the

2609
01:33:22,790 --> 01:33:21,360
meeting met

2610
01:33:24,709 --> 01:33:22,800
stacy

2611
01:33:25,750 --> 01:33:24,719
uh met a bunch of people from phoenix

2612
01:33:28,550 --> 01:33:25,760
mufon

2613
01:33:29,830 --> 01:33:28,560
and our speaker that day was kathleen

2614
01:33:31,750 --> 01:33:29,840
martin

2615
01:33:33,830 --> 01:33:31,760
and i'm like holy cow what a perfect

2616
01:33:36,390 --> 01:33:33,840
speaker she is just the neatest lady but

2617
01:33:38,070 --> 01:33:36,400
again as a cop what am i doing i'm

2618
01:33:40,310 --> 01:33:38,080
looking for deception i'm thinking she's

2619
01:33:42,870 --> 01:33:40,320
just going to tell some outlandish story

2620
01:33:45,910 --> 01:33:42,880
and it's just going to be

2621
01:33:47,669 --> 01:33:45,920
you know a myth or or just a story and

2622
01:33:51,669 --> 01:33:47,679
she told this about betty and barney

2623
01:33:52,709 --> 01:33:51,679
hill her aunt uncle and i never saw one

2624
01:33:56,149 --> 01:33:52,719
ounce

2625
01:33:57,350 --> 01:33:56,159
of deception she was an amazing woman

2626
01:33:59,430 --> 01:33:57,360
um

2627
01:34:02,950 --> 01:33:59,440
fast forward uh

2628
01:34:05,030 --> 01:34:02,960
2000 well the end of 2014 november we

2629
01:34:07,830 --> 01:34:05,040
were having travis walton's sky fire

2630
01:34:10,390 --> 01:34:07,840
summit up in hebrew overgarden

2631
01:34:11,430 --> 01:34:10,400
and stacy asked

2632
01:34:13,669 --> 01:34:11,440
um

2633
01:34:14,870 --> 01:34:13,679
hey uh we've got a few people speakers

2634
01:34:16,310 --> 01:34:14,880
coming in they're going to stay in

2635
01:34:18,149 --> 01:34:16,320
phoenix for a couple days then we're

2636
01:34:20,390 --> 01:34:18,159
going to go back up to heber and she

2637
01:34:21,350 --> 01:34:20,400
goes would you be able to house these

2638
01:34:22,149 --> 01:34:21,360
folks

2639
01:34:24,950 --> 01:34:22,159
and

2640
01:34:26,550 --> 01:34:24,960
um until the next day i said sure who

2641
01:34:29,669 --> 01:34:26,560
who were you in the house

2642
01:34:31,590 --> 01:34:29,679
well peter robbins richard dolan

2643
01:34:33,990 --> 01:34:31,600
stanton friedman

2644
01:34:34,950 --> 01:34:34,000
and i'm like first of all i did say who

2645
01:34:35,910 --> 01:34:34,960
were they

2646
01:34:37,910 --> 01:34:35,920
yeah so

2647
01:34:40,790 --> 01:34:37,920
oh boy um

2648
01:34:42,870 --> 01:34:40,800
i got a huge lecture from stacy

2649
01:34:44,629 --> 01:34:42,880
and she also says don't ever ask that

2650
01:34:48,390 --> 01:34:44,639
question again

2651
01:34:50,470 --> 01:34:48,400
that that day uh in november of 2014

2652
01:34:52,310 --> 01:34:50,480
totally changed my life

2653
01:34:54,550 --> 01:34:52,320
um

2654
01:34:55,590 --> 01:34:54,560
i've never experienced such wonderful

2655
01:34:58,470 --> 01:34:55,600
people

2656
01:35:01,990 --> 01:34:58,480
um i've learned a lot uh

2657
01:35:04,870 --> 01:35:02,000
met karen and alejandro and um

2658
01:35:07,189 --> 01:35:04,880
just it was it was so wonderful so i

2659
01:35:08,950 --> 01:35:07,199
went from not knowing anything beginning

2660
01:35:10,629 --> 01:35:08,960
of 2014

2661
01:35:13,109 --> 01:35:10,639
to basically

2662
01:35:16,629 --> 01:35:13,119
just walking into the middle of it by

2663
01:35:19,430 --> 01:35:16,639
the beginning of 2015 and now

2664
01:35:21,430 --> 01:35:19,440
field investigator mufon being part of

2665
01:35:22,950 --> 01:35:21,440
the ufo congress

2666
01:35:26,149 --> 01:35:22,960
and just

2667
01:35:28,310 --> 01:35:26,159
knowing so many awesome wonderful people

2668
01:35:30,950 --> 01:35:28,320
so great story yeah that's how i got

2669
01:35:32,390 --> 01:35:30,960
into it awesome anyone else want to talk

2670
01:35:33,830 --> 01:35:32,400
about how they got interested in the

2671
01:35:35,430 --> 01:35:33,840
topic

2672
01:35:37,189 --> 01:35:35,440
next files

2673
01:35:37,990 --> 01:35:37,199
what's that x-files

2674
01:35:40,310 --> 01:35:38,000
yeah

2675
01:35:47,030 --> 01:35:43,990
what's that you can speak you can speak

2676
01:35:49,350 --> 01:35:47,040
blurred yeah yeah it's a self adjusting

2677
01:35:51,750 --> 01:35:49,360
so uh the lump the line is open that's

2678
01:35:53,750 --> 01:35:51,760
eight five five four seven two

2679
01:35:55,350 --> 01:35:53,760
five four eight three

2680
01:35:56,229 --> 01:35:55,360
um

2681
01:35:58,470 --> 01:35:56,239
could

2682
01:35:59,750 --> 01:35:58,480
tell you about how i got into it

2683
01:36:01,910 --> 01:35:59,760
yeah i mean i've always been interested

2684
01:36:04,629 --> 01:36:01,920
why don't you turn it around back around

2685
01:36:06,629 --> 01:36:04,639
just keep panning around see if they'll

2686
01:36:07,669 --> 01:36:06,639
address go ahead yeah um

2687
01:36:09,030 --> 01:36:07,679
i've always

2688
01:36:10,629 --> 01:36:09,040
since i was a kid been interested in the

2689
01:36:12,629 --> 01:36:10,639
subject and i would get books when i

2690
01:36:15,510 --> 01:36:12,639
could there wasn't a ton of books but

2691
01:36:17,109 --> 01:36:15,520
especially for kids um but i actually

2692
01:36:18,870 --> 01:36:17,119
saw stanton freeman when i was in san

2693
01:36:21,430 --> 01:36:18,880
diego i was married

2694
01:36:23,030 --> 01:36:21,440
with kids but so i somehow happened to

2695
01:36:24,709 --> 01:36:23,040
see this in the newspaper and i got in

2696
01:36:26,950 --> 01:36:24,719
the car and drove to

2697
01:36:28,950 --> 01:36:26,960
san diego state university and heard him

2698
01:36:31,270 --> 01:36:28,960
do a lecture there um and i didn't

2699
01:36:33,990 --> 01:36:31,280
realize it until later

2700
01:36:35,430 --> 01:36:34,000
that hui like i when i saw him like oh

2701
01:36:36,629 --> 01:36:35,440
that was the guy that i saw in san diego

2702
01:36:37,669 --> 01:36:36,639
i didn't know he was a big deal or

2703
01:36:39,590 --> 01:36:37,679
anything you know i just thought he was

2704
01:36:41,590 --> 01:36:39,600
some guy that talked about ufos and very

2705
01:36:43,430 --> 01:36:41,600
interesting but um

2706
01:36:44,790 --> 01:36:43,440
for some reason this event that i'm

2707
01:36:47,270 --> 01:36:44,800
about to tell you it was what triggered

2708
01:36:48,709 --> 01:36:47,280
me to get really really super obsessed

2709
01:36:51,669 --> 01:36:48,719
with ufos

2710
01:36:53,750 --> 01:36:51,679
and it was the dome of the rock ufo

2711
01:36:55,030 --> 01:36:53,760
because it was on the news and stuff and

2712
01:36:58,070 --> 01:36:55,040
i spent

2713
01:36:59,590 --> 01:36:58,080
like 24 hours on the internet just like

2714
01:37:00,950 --> 01:36:59,600
scouring everything i could find and

2715
01:37:02,470 --> 01:37:00,960
then you know for a week afterwards

2716
01:37:04,390 --> 01:37:02,480
there was more things coming you know

2717
01:37:05,510 --> 01:37:04,400
being released there were several videos

2718
01:37:07,109 --> 01:37:05,520
and that was like

2719
01:37:08,390 --> 01:37:07,119
analyzing them like second by second

2720
01:37:09,750 --> 01:37:08,400
because there was one where there was a

2721
01:37:11,590 --> 01:37:09,760
flash and you could see like i was

2722
01:37:13,030 --> 01:37:11,600
trying to see how much of the city that

2723
01:37:13,910 --> 01:37:13,040
it would lit up if you've never seen it

2724
01:37:15,350 --> 01:37:13,920
i don't even know if it's on the

2725
01:37:17,109 --> 01:37:15,360
internet anymore but

2726
01:37:19,109 --> 01:37:17,119
turns out like i understand it's

2727
01:37:22,629 --> 01:37:19,119
definitely a hoax by

2728
01:37:24,629 --> 01:37:22,639
some guys in israel that you know

2729
01:37:26,629 --> 01:37:24,639
something college thinkers but it was

2730
01:37:29,830 --> 01:37:26,639
just something about it just triggered

2731
01:37:31,109 --> 01:37:29,840
this entrance like crazy and i

2732
01:37:33,109 --> 01:37:31,119
saw that there was going to be this

2733
01:37:34,550 --> 01:37:33,119
conference in phoenix

2734
01:37:36,550 --> 01:37:34,560
the international ufo congress and i was

2735
01:37:39,030 --> 01:37:36,560
like wow i didn't even know

2736
01:37:41,109 --> 01:37:39,040
ufo conferences existed you know and by

2737
01:37:44,149 --> 01:37:41,119
the time i was in my 40s yeah and then

2738
01:37:45,750 --> 01:37:44,159
what not even 10 years later i'm

2739
01:37:48,310 --> 01:37:45,760
running the dang thing

2740
01:37:50,790 --> 01:37:48,320
that made sense to me yeah because you

2741
01:37:52,229 --> 01:37:50,800
had a print election for it

2742
01:37:54,229 --> 01:37:52,239
otherwise you just would have dismissed

2743
01:37:56,070 --> 01:37:54,239
it okay but you were interested in it

2744
01:37:57,109 --> 01:37:56,080
yeah the reason you're interested in is

2745
01:37:59,270 --> 01:37:57,119
because

2746
01:38:01,270 --> 01:37:59,280
something's probably happened in your

2747
01:38:03,030 --> 01:38:01,280
past that you still probably don't know

2748
01:38:04,390 --> 01:38:03,040
or still haven't recalled yeah that is

2749
01:38:05,510 --> 01:38:04,400
kind of a weird thing too because i've

2750
01:38:07,750 --> 01:38:05,520
never

2751
01:38:09,669 --> 01:38:07,760
gotten regressed to this day even though

2752
01:38:10,790 --> 01:38:09,679
it's something that i think about either

2753
01:38:11,910 --> 01:38:10,800
i don't know i think you should do that

2754
01:38:13,990 --> 01:38:11,920
i should do that sometimes but i've

2755
01:38:15,669 --> 01:38:14,000
never had like what is it about me that

2756
01:38:17,750 --> 01:38:15,679
i'm avoiding it

2757
01:38:19,030 --> 01:38:17,760
or what i don't know but

2758
01:38:21,189 --> 01:38:19,040
uh

2759
01:38:22,229 --> 01:38:21,199
yeah maybe we're happy not knowing

2760
01:38:23,669 --> 01:38:22,239
yeah

2761
01:38:25,990 --> 01:38:23,679
i don't know but i mean it was kind of

2762
01:38:27,990 --> 01:38:26,000
cool because i read all these books in

2763
01:38:30,550 --> 01:38:28,000
that two-month period between january or

2764
01:38:31,350 --> 01:38:30,560
actually a month until the conference

2765
01:38:32,709 --> 01:38:31,360
and

2766
01:38:34,550 --> 01:38:32,719
all the people that i was reading their

2767
01:38:35,990 --> 01:38:34,560
books were there like in the general was

2768
01:38:37,750 --> 01:38:36,000
just a coincidence i had read john

2769
01:38:40,070 --> 01:38:37,760
alexander's book he was there i read

2770
01:38:41,750 --> 01:38:40,080
dole's book he was there um leslie

2771
01:38:43,430 --> 01:38:41,760
kane's book and she was there it was

2772
01:38:45,350 --> 01:38:43,440
like

2773
01:38:46,709 --> 01:38:45,360
this is a i'm glad you brought this

2774
01:38:49,109 --> 01:38:46,719
whole story up because i'm going to ask

2775
01:38:51,270 --> 01:38:49,119
you this um because a lot of times i i

2776
01:38:53,030 --> 01:38:51,280
get really angry at hoaxes

2777
01:38:55,990 --> 01:38:53,040
because i feel as though

2778
01:38:58,310 --> 01:38:56,000
they turn a lot of people away from

2779
01:39:00,229 --> 01:38:58,320
looking into this topic but in this

2780
01:39:01,430 --> 01:39:00,239
particular case

2781
01:39:03,430 --> 01:39:01,440
that picture

2782
01:39:04,629 --> 01:39:03,440
that's still making yeah i just i don't

2783
01:39:07,590 --> 01:39:04,639
know there's something weird about that

2784
01:39:09,189 --> 01:39:07,600
thing because i even found a security

2785
01:39:10,790 --> 01:39:09,199
support security

2786
01:39:13,590 --> 01:39:10,800
the footage from a completely different

2787
01:39:15,830 --> 01:39:13,600
angle that showed the light

2788
01:39:17,910 --> 01:39:15,840
the bright when it like flashed and shot

2789
01:39:19,430 --> 01:39:17,920
up and it lit up

2790
01:39:21,430 --> 01:39:19,440
the surrounding area so i don't know how

2791
01:39:23,189 --> 01:39:21,440
they do how they did this like how did

2792
01:39:24,950 --> 01:39:23,199
that i mean i guess just very good

2793
01:39:27,030 --> 01:39:24,960
hoaxers

2794
01:39:30,709 --> 01:39:27,040
but it really did take uh occupy a lot

2795
01:39:32,390 --> 01:39:30,719
of my time for that week or so being i

2796
01:39:34,550 --> 01:39:32,400
did a lot of cg work too which is

2797
01:39:35,350 --> 01:39:34,560
computer germany graphics and

2798
01:39:36,870 --> 01:39:35,360
um

2799
01:39:39,669 --> 01:39:36,880
the way you make something light up like

2800
01:39:41,830 --> 01:39:39,679
that is actually very straightforward

2801
01:39:43,350 --> 01:39:41,840
you don't light up the actual buildings

2802
01:39:44,950 --> 01:39:43,360
you light up what's called a standing

2803
01:39:46,950 --> 01:39:44,960
object something that's shaped like them

2804
01:39:49,350 --> 01:39:46,960
that's actually something you built

2805
01:39:51,350 --> 01:39:49,360
so if someone's doing that okay i feel

2806
01:39:53,910 --> 01:39:51,360
that that was a hoax

2807
01:39:55,430 --> 01:39:53,920
and i know i saw three different angles

2808
01:39:57,990 --> 01:39:55,440
and what i discovered in that was that

2809
01:40:00,390 --> 01:39:58,000
all three showed a different craft

2810
01:40:02,550 --> 01:40:00,400
it was supposed to be the same craft

2811
01:40:04,229 --> 01:40:02,560
and that that bothered me from the very

2812
01:40:05,910 --> 01:40:04,239
beginning so i started to analyze it and

2813
01:40:08,950 --> 01:40:05,920
figured out that the light that was

2814
01:40:11,590 --> 01:40:08,960
striking the buildings in a city that

2815
01:40:13,510 --> 01:40:11,600
never sleeps

2816
01:40:14,550 --> 01:40:13,520
should have had many more reports than

2817
01:40:16,470 --> 01:40:14,560
there were

2818
01:40:17,830 --> 01:40:16,480
why would you only get three people

2819
01:40:21,430 --> 01:40:17,840
reporting this

2820
01:40:23,510 --> 01:40:21,440
supposedly from different vantage points

2821
01:40:25,030 --> 01:40:23,520
in the course of an evening when the

2822
01:40:26,870 --> 01:40:25,040
city is lit up already because there's

2823
01:40:28,310 --> 01:40:26,880
so many people out

2824
01:40:30,390 --> 01:40:28,320
there would have been hundreds and

2825
01:40:32,790 --> 01:40:30,400
hundreds of reports that night

2826
01:40:34,950 --> 01:40:32,800
especially in the tome of the rock the

2827
01:40:35,830 --> 01:40:34,960
most religious

2828
01:40:37,350 --> 01:40:35,840
right symbol of

2829
01:40:39,109 --> 01:40:37,360
that was real i was just like this is

2830
01:40:41,270 --> 01:40:39,119
the most incredible thing ever happened

2831
01:40:43,510 --> 01:40:41,280
you know why didn't anybody and you know

2832
01:40:45,990 --> 01:40:43,520
i was just like but i believe that you

2833
01:40:47,189 --> 01:40:46,000
were you were intrigued by it probably

2834
01:40:49,030 --> 01:40:47,199
because

2835
01:40:50,790 --> 01:40:49,040
you've been intrigued by uh something

2836
01:40:51,830 --> 01:40:50,800
that maybe happened to you some point in

2837
01:40:53,830 --> 01:40:51,840
the past

2838
01:40:56,229 --> 01:40:53,840
and so you were already leaning toward

2839
01:40:58,229 --> 01:40:56,239
that to begin with

2840
01:41:00,070 --> 01:40:58,239
so that might have been a hoax but

2841
01:41:01,669 --> 01:41:00,080
something else that's buried inside your

2842
01:41:04,629 --> 01:41:01,679
head wasn't

2843
01:41:06,709 --> 01:41:04,639
yeah and that's what drew this

2844
01:41:10,790 --> 01:41:06,719
that's my feeling other weird thing that

2845
01:41:15,109 --> 01:41:12,390
i remember not like looking back i

2846
01:41:16,870 --> 01:41:15,119
remember from this time on no i remember

2847
01:41:18,709 --> 01:41:16,880
from this point in my life i moved

2848
01:41:20,470 --> 01:41:18,719
around a lot my dad was in the air force

2849
01:41:21,430 --> 01:41:20,480
but i remember

2850
01:41:23,590 --> 01:41:21,440
almost

2851
01:41:25,830 --> 01:41:23,600
coming alive

2852
01:41:27,590 --> 01:41:25,840
in a sense when we pulled into the

2853
01:41:28,950 --> 01:41:27,600
driveway of my new home

2854
01:41:30,470 --> 01:41:28,960
and i guess i was sleeping i don't know

2855
01:41:31,990 --> 01:41:30,480
and i woke up

2856
01:41:33,430 --> 01:41:32,000
and i remember thinking where the heck

2857
01:41:36,950 --> 01:41:33,440
am i and i don't remember anything

2858
01:41:42,390 --> 01:41:40,070
like then not now then

2859
01:41:43,510 --> 01:41:42,400
when i was five or nine to five four

2860
01:41:45,669 --> 01:41:43,520
thinking

2861
01:41:47,270 --> 01:41:45,679
i don't know where i am i don't know who

2862
01:41:49,189 --> 01:41:47,280
i am i don't know i don't know anything

2863
01:41:50,070 --> 01:41:49,199
before this date

2864
01:41:54,550 --> 01:41:50,080
and then

2865
01:41:55,430 --> 01:41:54,560
went on with my life and everything but

2866
01:41:57,510 --> 01:41:55,440
that is

2867
01:41:58,950 --> 01:41:57,520
really weird

2868
01:41:59,830 --> 01:41:58,960
i don't know

2869
01:42:00,629 --> 01:41:59,840
or

2870
01:42:05,350 --> 01:42:00,639
like

2871
01:42:09,270 --> 01:42:05,360
became aware or something

2872
01:42:12,870 --> 01:42:11,030
it's your dad being in the air force

2873
01:42:14,870 --> 01:42:12,880
yeah i don't know

2874
01:42:17,830 --> 01:42:14,880
hey matthew i'd like to hear some more

2875
01:42:20,390 --> 01:42:17,840
about your stories what was your duty

2876
01:42:23,430 --> 01:42:20,400
in the navy what were you doing

2877
01:42:24,629 --> 01:42:23,440
was your job so i was a cryptologist

2878
01:42:26,830 --> 01:42:24,639
um and that

2879
01:42:29,830 --> 01:42:26,840
uh that's basically

2880
01:42:32,070 --> 01:42:29,840
just so i worked in comet which is

2881
01:42:34,229 --> 01:42:32,080
communications intelligence and that's

2882
01:42:36,550 --> 01:42:34,239
about so like you trying to interpret if

2883
01:42:38,950 --> 01:42:36,560
there's any secret messages happening in

2884
01:42:41,189 --> 01:42:38,960
communications from other or perhaps no

2885
01:42:43,590 --> 01:42:41,199
i mean that's that's about all i can say

2886
01:42:50,709 --> 01:42:47,350
um you're ready and you can't tell yeah

2887
01:42:52,629 --> 01:42:50,719
yeah so that that's what i did and um

2888
01:42:55,189 --> 01:42:52,639
of course i you know i talked about the

2889
01:43:00,149 --> 01:42:55,199
book how i ended my career at the autism

2890
01:43:03,669 --> 01:43:01,990
so you were one of the very first people

2891
01:43:06,070 --> 01:43:03,679
to see the gimbal

2892
01:43:07,590 --> 01:43:06,080
you saw footage of this from just the

2893
01:43:12,070 --> 01:43:07,600
previous day

2894
01:43:13,910 --> 01:43:12,080
day or two maybe yeah

2895
01:43:15,669 --> 01:43:13,920
and the person that showed it to you was

2896
01:43:17,830 --> 01:43:15,679
the person who

2897
01:43:19,830 --> 01:43:17,840
saw it before you maybe he yeah was not

2898
01:43:21,910 --> 01:43:19,840
supposed to show it to you or

2899
01:43:31,270 --> 01:43:21,920
um i don't know that he wasn't supposed

2900
01:43:35,910 --> 01:43:32,950
and i don't i don't think anybody was

2901
01:43:37,109 --> 01:43:35,920
ever told don't say anything

2902
01:43:38,950 --> 01:43:37,119
but i think

2903
01:43:41,189 --> 01:43:38,960
i i think it was just

2904
01:43:42,149 --> 01:43:41,199
clear that you know you have a clearance

2905
01:43:48,229 --> 01:43:42,159
so

2906
01:43:49,030 --> 01:43:48,239
spoke of at all

2907
01:43:51,030 --> 01:43:49,040
um

2908
01:43:53,510 --> 01:43:51,040
and what what kind of impression did

2909
01:43:56,629 --> 01:43:53,520
that make on you when you saw that

2910
01:43:59,910 --> 01:43:56,639
uh when i saw it i mean it was just it

2911
01:44:01,990 --> 01:43:59,920
was kind of like a gut punch really

2912
01:44:04,790 --> 01:44:02,000
because

2913
01:44:06,870 --> 01:44:04,800
you know you you you you had this idea

2914
01:44:10,070 --> 01:44:06,880
of what uh

2915
01:44:13,350 --> 01:44:10,080
ufology is and what what those people

2916
01:44:15,510 --> 01:44:13,360
are like and um of course i didn't know

2917
01:44:17,990 --> 01:44:15,520
anyone who was in that field or anything

2918
01:44:20,870 --> 01:44:18,000
like that so i i kind of imagined it as

2919
01:44:22,229 --> 01:44:20,880
this like circus of tin foil hats you

2920
01:44:25,910 --> 01:44:22,239
know of course

2921
01:44:27,590 --> 01:44:25,920
uh it's not like that but um

2922
01:44:30,149 --> 01:44:27,600
you know so i

2923
01:44:32,950 --> 01:44:30,159
it was like you know here it is

2924
01:44:36,390 --> 01:44:32,960
i'm watching this footage now in inside

2925
01:44:39,270 --> 01:44:36,400
a skiff um this is government footage so

2926
01:44:40,550 --> 01:44:39,280
i know it's real i know this isn't faked

2927
01:44:43,990 --> 01:44:40,560
you know

2928
01:44:46,310 --> 01:44:44,000
and so uh i had a very kind of

2929
01:44:48,790 --> 01:44:46,320
emotional reaction to it i was unable to

2930
01:44:51,109 --> 01:44:48,800
eat for a few days

2931
01:44:53,990 --> 01:44:51,119
um because it was just like

2932
01:44:56,390 --> 01:44:54,000
oh you know this all this is real

2933
01:44:58,390 --> 01:44:56,400
you know and i didn't know that

2934
01:44:59,990 --> 01:44:58,400
so is everyone on board talking about

2935
01:45:02,310 --> 01:45:00,000
this or was it

2936
01:45:04,629 --> 01:45:02,320
hush no i mean i think i think most

2937
01:45:06,950 --> 01:45:04,639
people on the ship didn't know anything

2938
01:45:09,669 --> 01:45:06,960
was happening uh unless you worked for

2939
01:45:11,510 --> 01:45:09,679
the air wing or you worked in intel

2940
01:45:13,350 --> 01:45:11,520
uh you just

2941
01:45:15,030 --> 01:45:13,360
this wasn't something you knew about and

2942
01:45:16,390 --> 01:45:15,040
did you ask to go back and see that

2943
01:45:19,030 --> 01:45:16,400
footage again

2944
01:45:21,990 --> 01:45:19,040
and again yeah it was it was on our

2945
01:45:23,830 --> 01:45:22,000
secure network so i you know i pulled it

2946
01:45:26,070 --> 01:45:23,840
up but we deployed after this because we

2947
01:45:27,830 --> 01:45:26,080
were on our workup cycle which is to get

2948
01:45:30,310 --> 01:45:27,840
us ready for deployment

2949
01:45:33,030 --> 01:45:30,320
and so i would pull that footage up

2950
01:45:35,430 --> 01:45:33,040
every once in a while and just watch it

2951
01:45:37,510 --> 01:45:35,440
and i'm like how is this thing

2952
01:45:39,510 --> 01:45:37,520
in the air you know what is that how is

2953
01:45:41,750 --> 01:45:39,520
it doing that you know

2954
01:45:43,430 --> 01:45:41,760
so prior to that you didn't consider the

2955
01:45:45,750 --> 01:45:43,440
possibility of

2956
01:45:47,189 --> 01:45:45,760
ufos

2957
01:45:48,470 --> 01:45:47,199
it really wasn't something that i

2958
01:45:49,669 --> 01:45:48,480
thought about

2959
01:45:50,950 --> 01:45:49,679
it's not that you didn't believe you

2960
01:45:52,550 --> 01:45:50,960
just it was

2961
01:45:54,709 --> 01:45:52,560
yeah i mean it was it was just wasn't

2962
01:45:57,430 --> 01:45:54,719
there your consciousness yeah i mean i

2963
01:45:59,910 --> 01:45:57,440
and if i saw a show on tv like ancient

2964
01:46:02,310 --> 01:45:59,920
aliens come on i would kind of

2965
01:46:03,830 --> 01:46:02,320
roll my eyes and change the channel you

2966
01:46:04,629 --> 01:46:03,840
know but

2967
01:46:07,590 --> 01:46:04,639
um

2968
01:46:10,070 --> 01:46:07,600
you know now that i knew it was real

2969
01:46:10,950 --> 01:46:10,080
you know because i've seen it uh that

2970
01:46:15,990 --> 01:46:10,960
was

2971
01:46:18,070 --> 01:46:16,000
profound gut punch for me i can imagine

2972
01:46:19,510 --> 01:46:18,080
yeah it's happened to me before

2973
01:46:21,189 --> 01:46:19,520
i don't know

2974
01:46:23,270 --> 01:46:21,199
we do have a caller

2975
01:46:24,790 --> 01:46:23,280
um thank you for that matthew yeah

2976
01:46:27,189 --> 01:46:24,800
and uh

2977
01:46:29,430 --> 01:46:27,199
i i will have you back on the show again

2978
01:46:31,109 --> 01:46:29,440
someday so we talk more about that but

2979
01:46:33,910 --> 01:46:31,119
we do have a caller

2980
01:46:35,590 --> 01:46:33,920
uh we have jeannie on joni i'm sorry on

2981
01:46:37,990 --> 01:46:35,600
from pennsylvania joni you're live on

2982
01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:48,870
um i want to know

2983
01:46:52,830 --> 01:46:50,390
yeah we already talked about the phoenix

2984
01:46:56,229 --> 01:46:52,840
lights in the very beginning of the

2985
01:46:57,830 --> 01:46:56,239
show okay i'm sorry i didn't know

2986
01:47:00,790 --> 01:46:57,840
yeah okay

2987
01:47:03,669 --> 01:47:00,800
all right thank you

2988
01:47:05,910 --> 01:47:03,679
i'll have to give bill grief about that

2989
01:47:07,270 --> 01:47:05,920
anyway huh tough host

2990
01:47:09,990 --> 01:47:07,280
yeah i know

2991
01:47:11,750 --> 01:47:10,000
all right well uh we have

2992
01:47:13,350 --> 01:47:11,760
we have just four minutes left is there

2993
01:47:16,070 --> 01:47:13,360
anything else you wanted to add to that

2994
01:47:17,270 --> 01:47:16,080
i mean i kind of cut your story short

2995
01:47:18,550 --> 01:47:17,280
just uh

2996
01:47:20,550 --> 01:47:18,560
just because we have now we have four

2997
01:47:22,870 --> 01:47:20,560
minutes left i don't know if anyone else

2998
01:47:23,590 --> 01:47:22,880
wants to ask matthew a question i mean

2999
01:47:24,709 --> 01:47:23,600
it's

3000
01:47:27,590 --> 01:47:24,719
he's uh

3001
01:47:29,750 --> 01:47:27,600
you were doing really good job

3002
01:47:32,390 --> 01:47:29,760
matthew can you ever talk about you say

3003
01:47:33,270 --> 01:47:32,400
you can't talk about your what you did

3004
01:47:34,790 --> 01:47:33,280
in

3005
01:47:36,870 --> 01:47:34,800
the navy or

3006
01:47:39,189 --> 01:47:36,880
any maybe you have experiences you can't

3007
01:47:40,870 --> 01:47:39,199
talk about will there'll be ever a time

3008
01:47:42,310 --> 01:47:40,880
maybe when you're in your 60s 70s

3009
01:47:43,350 --> 01:47:42,320
wherever that you can seven or five

3010
01:47:45,830 --> 01:47:43,360
years right

3011
01:47:47,590 --> 01:47:45,840
talk about it i mean is there any time

3012
01:47:52,310 --> 01:47:47,600
three minutes um

3013
01:47:54,950 --> 01:47:52,320
you know i i i don't i don't think so um

3014
01:47:56,790 --> 01:47:54,960
i you know i certainly am not gonna take

3015
01:47:58,229 --> 01:47:56,800
anything to my grave i'll tell you that

3016
01:48:00,629 --> 01:47:58,239
right now

3017
01:48:04,550 --> 01:48:03,350
so we'll see so follow him around so on

3018
01:48:07,109 --> 01:48:04,560
your deathbed you're gonna have to i'm

3019
01:48:08,870 --> 01:48:07,119
gonna have that tape recorder ready okay

3020
01:48:11,350 --> 01:48:08,880
what's today today i don't think this is

3021
01:48:13,350 --> 01:48:11,360
all right yeah so i i think i think all

3022
01:48:14,870 --> 01:48:13,360
of this is gonna come out i mean i don't

3023
01:48:15,830 --> 01:48:14,880
i don't think i'm gonna have to say

3024
01:48:17,910 --> 01:48:15,840
anything

3025
01:48:19,910 --> 01:48:17,920
um i think it's all already coming out

3026
01:48:23,109 --> 01:48:19,920
we talked about how this follows

3027
01:48:24,629 --> 01:48:23,119
bloodlines right there's this new book

3028
01:48:30,950 --> 01:48:24,639
um

3029
01:48:36,470 --> 01:48:32,950
was some yeah or something that was just

3030
01:48:38,950 --> 01:48:36,480
drafted in the last day or two and it's

3031
01:48:40,550 --> 01:48:38,960
pretty clear that the intelligence

3032
01:48:42,470 --> 01:48:40,560
committees have seen

3033
01:48:44,390 --> 01:48:42,480
some pretty bizarre things

3034
01:48:47,510 --> 01:48:44,400
because they're talking about

3035
01:48:50,390 --> 01:48:47,520
um something like to study

3036
01:48:52,310 --> 01:48:50,400
you know above and underwater like all

3037
01:48:53,030 --> 01:48:52,320
mediums kind of thing so it's like i

3038
01:48:55,830 --> 01:48:53,040
think

3039
01:48:57,510 --> 01:48:55,840
that they do have some information that

3040
01:48:59,830 --> 01:48:57,520
has been turned over maybe by lou or

3041
01:49:02,070 --> 01:48:59,840
some of these these things that um we

3042
01:49:03,830 --> 01:49:02,080
might not ever get to but i think

3043
01:49:05,910 --> 01:49:03,840
they're convinced now

3044
01:49:07,510 --> 01:49:05,920
that's i think that's true i mean

3045
01:49:11,350 --> 01:49:07,520
you know

3046
01:49:12,790 --> 01:49:11,360
i know that uh we are all for ufos and

3047
01:49:15,030 --> 01:49:12,800
some of us are familiar with the unknown

3048
01:49:16,390 --> 01:49:15,040
suburbs optics they're very fast movers

3049
01:49:17,669 --> 01:49:16,400
as we've called them right in the past

3050
01:49:19,589 --> 01:49:17,679
that's what they were called on the boat

3051
01:49:22,229 --> 01:49:19,599
i was on i was a

3052
01:49:25,109 --> 01:49:22,239
visitor not a sailor

3053
01:49:27,589 --> 01:49:25,119
yeah and so it turns out that those

3054
01:49:29,830 --> 01:49:27,599
unknown submerged objects are very real

3055
01:49:31,270 --> 01:49:29,840
and decades ago is when this happened

3056
01:49:33,510 --> 01:49:31,280
that i had that experience where i saw

3057
01:49:35,750 --> 01:49:33,520
the several hundred knots this object

3058
01:49:37,750 --> 01:49:35,760
moving through sauna very very quickly

3059
01:49:39,750 --> 01:49:37,760
and uh they were called fast movers on

3060
01:49:41,350 --> 01:49:39,760
that boat and i did a job for the joint

3061
01:49:42,629 --> 01:49:41,360
chiefs a couple years later and the

3062
01:49:43,669 --> 01:49:42,639
chief said he couldn't tell me about the

3063
01:49:45,669 --> 01:49:43,679
program when i asked him about it

3064
01:49:46,950 --> 01:49:45,679
specifically he could have said what's

3065
01:49:47,830 --> 01:49:46,960
that program i've never heard of it but

3066
01:49:48,550 --> 01:49:47,840
he didn't

3067
01:49:49,589 --> 01:49:48,560
so

3068
01:49:51,669 --> 01:49:49,599
clearly

3069
01:49:53,830 --> 01:49:51,679
above the water below the water stuff's

3070
01:49:57,030 --> 01:49:53,840
happening and i know that they're here i

3071
01:49:57,990 --> 01:49:57,040
know i sense strongly that they're here

3072
01:50:00,629 --> 01:49:58,000
yes so

3073
01:50:02,870 --> 01:50:00,639
thank you everyone this has been a lot

3074
01:50:05,830 --> 01:50:02,880
of fun i really appreciate all the time

3075
01:50:08,149 --> 01:50:05,840
in your hospitality out here next week

3076
01:50:09,990 --> 01:50:08,159
we have our 10th anniversary show and

3077
01:50:12,070 --> 01:50:10,000
you think there's a lot of people here

3078
01:50:14,629 --> 01:50:12,080
now uh you'll see how many people will

3079
01:50:16,629 --> 01:50:14,639
be involved in that so 10 years coming

3080
01:50:18,950 --> 01:50:16,639
up next week and you're going to do some

3081
01:50:20,790 --> 01:50:18,960
math and you're going to say yeah

3082
01:50:24,390 --> 01:50:20,800
thank you gotta do some math and say

3083
01:50:27,350 --> 01:50:24,400
okay only 478 shows how that should be

3084
01:50:29,189 --> 01:50:27,360
520 shows and i used to do the show

3085
01:50:31,189 --> 01:50:29,199
every once every two weeks that's why

3086
01:50:32,950 --> 01:50:31,199
that um someone was asking me about that

3087
01:50:35,750 --> 01:50:32,960
but thank you so much everyone and

3088
01:50:38,610 --> 01:50:35,760
remember to keep your eyes to the sky

3089
01:50:49,630 --> 01:50:38,620
bye everyone